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▲ mrlonglong 2 hours ago

Something needs to be done about that space nazi Musk soon.

▲A_D_E_P_T 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This probably has more to do with US government pressure; they clearly don't want refineries or energy infrastructure hit in Russia.

▲jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Then maybe they should pressure russia to back out of their senseless war.

▲bamboozled an hour ago | parent [-]

It's really hard for people to remember this...for some reason.

▲ericmay an hour ago | parent [-]

What do you propose? Europeans deploy their military and attack Russia? More sanctions? If Ukraine destroys more refineries then what effect does that have on the global economy? Is it more important to destroy the refineries and cause disruptions to fuel supplies across the world or is more important to not let things get too bad?

Everyone pretends there are easy answers here and I don’t think there are, nor do I think a lack of nuance and honest discussion does anyone any good. What more pressure can the US put on Russia that it hasn’t already? Call on the phone and yell at Putin more strongly? I’m interested in hearing ideas but I’m not sure what more we can do that will “end the war”.

▲varjag 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Complete comms blockade with Russia. Complete trade embargo with Russia. Complete embargo of sanction breaching states. Complete sea blockade in the Baltic and Mediterranean. All within technical reach and no option of proportional retaliation by Russia.

▲luke5441 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, it would not be an easy answer. Currently China is openly "it is in our interest this continues". So US & EU could coordinate to make it in Chinas interest that this does not continue (problem: rare earths, so maximum effort to fix that first). Once China is aligned totally isolate Russia.

▲throw0101a an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What do you propose? Europeans deploy their military and attack Russia? More sanctions?

How about not weakening Ukrainian capabilities so they can continue to beat Russia? How about the US not buying Russian diesel/energy, which Trump himself criticized Europe doing in his September 22, 2026, UN speech.

▲jacquesm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What do you propose?

Consistency.

> Europeans deploy their military and attack Russia?

Well, given that half our gear was US bought that doesn't even look like an option at this point.

> More sanctions?

The ones in place were broken by Trump.

> If Ukraine destroys more refineries then what effect does that have on the global economy?

Ask a russian. But the rest of us will have to deal with it and whatever Ukraine does has far less effect on the world economy than what trump and putin have done and continue to do.

> Is it more important to destroy the refineries and cause disruptions to fuel supplies across the world or is more important to not let things get too bad?

Where do you get this 'across the world' thing from?

> Everyone pretends there are easy answers here and I don’t think there are, nor do I think a lack of nuance and honest discussion does anyone any good.

You mean: "I've made up my mind and even though the evidence is obvious I'm going to persist in my way of thinking". It is so transparent. All of the points you make above you could have pulled right off the russian set of talking points.

> I’m interested in hearing ideas but I’m not sure what more we can do that will “end the war”.

Give Ukraine the means to defend itself, no strings attached, no stupid games and no witholding arms already bought and paid for. Recognize that russia is the aggressor and ensure that they realize that if they stay on this path it can only go down for them.

▲justin66 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Call on the phone and yell at Putin more strongly?

Nobody in the current administration is “yelling” at Putin, strongly or weakly. Perhaps that would be a place to start.

▲maharajatever 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲SebaSeba 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Finnish satellite startup decacorn Iceye and Nokia are working on an alternative: https://www.iceye.com/satcom

▲jaggs 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah, in 2028!

▲dintech an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Europe needs to invest in viable alternatives then regulate his companies out of the picture locally.

▲skirge an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

like competitive product or go UE way - new 10000 pages long directive

▲epolanski an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Musk or not Musk it does not matter.

You cannot outsource technology that is critical to your defense.

You either develop it on your own or you operate it along your allies.

Ukraine is in no military alliance, so Musk or not, it is consistently liable to the unreliability and whims of external providers, either public or private.

Which is why I'm very negative every time I hear European countries are renting from Space X instead of investing in common space technology. The day that somebody in Washington, or Dallas, decides to turn the switch off, you're off.

▲jacquesm an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I'm with you regarding the independence bit, but I draw the line at how we got here. Ukraine should get all the help we can give it to survive and stop russia from doing more damage.

The fact that they are willing to use this switch in this way is far more damning than if they had done nothing at all. The problem is that one of the so called 'allies' here is behaving in ways that make it very difficult to sustain using that term.

And military alliance or not, there is such a thing as justified defense and it used to be in the decades leading up to 2015 or so that the USA was a reliable defense partner. I realize that 10 years is a long time, but a lot of people have been very slow to realize how far the rot has worked its way in.

Weapons bought and paid for by EU money are being withheld, and that's in light of daily slaughter of Ukrainian civilians (I have no other word for what is happening there).

▲dintech an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Ukraine is in no military alliance

I agree with you this is the de facto situation, but they thought they were in an alliance because of the Budapest Memorandum.

▲rapsey an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You really think they do something other than what the US gov tells them?

▲mrbanks an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲leftistlozerz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲leftistlozerz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲krige an hour ago | parent [-]

Scram, Elon.

▲heaney-555 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Musk is not a Nazi and does not decide how Starshield is used.

The person who made this decision will have been Trump.