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▲ A_D_E_P_T 2 hours ago

This probably has more to do with US government pressure; they clearly don't want refineries or energy infrastructure hit in Russia.

▲jacquesm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Then maybe they should pressure russia to back out of their senseless war.

▲bamboozled 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's really hard for people to remember this...for some reason.

▲ericmay an hour ago | parent [-]

What do you propose? Europeans deploy their military and attack Russia? More sanctions? If Ukraine destroys more refineries then what effect does that have on the global economy? Is it more important to destroy the refineries and cause disruptions to fuel supplies across the world or is more important to not let things get too bad?

Everyone pretends there are easy answers here and I don’t think there are, nor do I think a lack of nuance and honest discussion does anyone any good. What more pressure can the US put on Russia that it hasn’t already? Call on the phone and yell at Putin more strongly? I’m interested in hearing ideas but I’m not sure what more we can do that will “end the war”.

▲varjag 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Complete comms blockade with Russia. Complete trade embargo with Russia. Complete embargo of sanction breaching states. Complete sea blockade in the Baltic and Mediterranean. All within technical reach and no option of proportional retaliation by Russia.

▲luke5441 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, it would not be an easy answer. Currently China is openly "it is in our interest this continues". So US & EU could coordinate to make it in Chinas interest that this does not continue (problem: rare earths, so maximum effort to fix that first). Once China is aligned totally isolate Russia.

▲throw0101a an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What do you propose? Europeans deploy their military and attack Russia? More sanctions?

How about not weakening Ukrainian capabilities so they can continue to beat Russia? How about the US not buying Russian diesel/energy, which Trump himself criticized Europe doing in his September 22, 2026, UN speech.

▲jacquesm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What do you propose?

Consistency.

> Europeans deploy their military and attack Russia?

Well, given that half our gear was US bought that doesn't even look like an option at this point.

> More sanctions?

The ones in place were broken by Trump.

> If Ukraine destroys more refineries then what effect does that have on the global economy?

Ask a russian. But the rest of us will have to deal with it and whatever Ukraine does has far less effect on the world economy than what trump and putin have done and continue to do.

> Is it more important to destroy the refineries and cause disruptions to fuel supplies across the world or is more important to not let things get too bad?

Where do you get this 'across the world' thing from?

> Everyone pretends there are easy answers here and I don’t think there are, nor do I think a lack of nuance and honest discussion does anyone any good.

You mean: "I've made up my mind and even though the evidence is obvious I'm going to persist in my way of thinking". It is so transparent. All of the points you make above you could have pulled right off the russian set of talking points.

> I’m interested in hearing ideas but I’m not sure what more we can do that will “end the war”.

Give Ukraine the means to defend itself, no strings attached, no stupid games and no witholding arms already bought and paid for. Recognize that russia is the aggressor and ensure that they realize that if they stay on this path it can only go down for them.

▲justin66 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Call on the phone and yell at Putin more strongly?

Nobody in the current administration is “yelling” at Putin, strongly or weakly. Perhaps that would be a place to start.

▲maharajatever 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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