For people who are “worried” that Ukraine targets data centers: Ukraine did not start it.

For the entire September, Russia conducted 10+ strikes on all key telecom, and internet provider data centers in Ukraine.

Now it is just a return

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miki123211 a minute ago | parent | next [-]

One interesting fact I've heard recently (I live in Poland; we share a border with Ukraine as well as with a part of Russia).

Russia went all in on "digital sovereignty." This is partly because the Russian government cares deeply about censoring what their citizens can see (which they can't do if those citizens consume content from American services), partly because the American services themselves cut Russia off because of sanctions-related concerns.

This makes Russian datacenters a much more attractive target for the Ukrainians. While Russia can (and does) bomb Ukrainian datacenters, the fact that Ukrainians are so reliant on US infrastructure (and could rapidly move local workloads to western clouds if the need was great enough) makes such operations far less attractive. It's much easier for Ukraine to strike some facility near Moscow than it is for Russia to strike Ashburn, Virginia.

Given the geopolitical concerns from both the east and the west, this makes the question of whether Europe should move content off of US infrastructure a lot more complicated.

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m4rtink 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not to mention dozens of civilians killed by Russian strikes just in the last few days, including many children...

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mcrady 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Here's a playground hit this week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXCX_PMbA0

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vld_chk an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, those sick psychopaths want to turn Kyiv and other major cities into uninhabitable deserts. They target bridges with regular cars in the middle of the day; attack buses, trains, residential buildings, gas stations, shopping malls, grocery stores, water and gas utilities. They declared a total war on Ukraine and removed all constraints on their methods.

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somenameforme an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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fooblaster 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The Russians have been targeting civilian infrastructure the entire war? Why is blowing up a Amazon warehouse suddenly opening a paradoras box?

	▲	somenameforme 18 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		No they haven't. The nature of this conflict has shifted dramatically since Zelensky's 40 day plan. We're seeing what targeting civilian infrastructure actually looks like now, and it's horrific. Russia has had this capability for years but have not used it. And again this isn't even about ethics. In normal situations targeting civilian infrastructure doesn't even make sense. When you blow up e.g. an Amazon warehouse or whatever, those are weapons that could typically have been put to far better use targeting the enemy or the sources supplying them. Instead all it does incite reciprocal responses and has sent this war into its most horrific phase, by far.

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gmerc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

After 2 years of the russians attacking civilian infrastructure, passenger trains, hospitals. Yes, it was time.

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josh_p 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Russia has been indiscriminately attacking civilian structures since they started the war.

All I'm seeing is two sides continuing to escalate and respond to each other while the rest of the world watches.

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magicalist 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

lol, I'm sorry, you're claiming that Russia, who started this war in the first place and could stop literally any time, also has only started targeting civilian infrastructure in the last two months?

> Wildberries (essentially Russia's Amazon)

And military supplier newly owned by Putin's buddy! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_strikes_on_Wildberri...

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dingaling911 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If they wanted to do it, they could've done it long ago.

Dragging this out makes that inevitable, unfortunately.

	▲	bbor 2 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It honestly blows my mind that you can still hold such a grim, myopic opinion. Something tells me "they have nukes, we've gotta just let them expand" wouldn't apply if they were bombing your children.
	▲	spiderfarmer 13 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		"Stop resisting" "Look what you made me do" "Dragging this out makes atrocious behaviour inevitable" Ever heard of Game Theory? Trump sucks at it. And by the looks of it, you're not very good either.

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sinuhe69 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Not to mention a sudden ebb of bot traffic all over the world!