Functional equivalence here, of course, depends on the completeness of the test suite, where byte-identical compiled artifacts does not.

(For example, your approach would not necessarily catch all the same overflow behaviors; the OP expressly claimed that "replicating all bugs" was also important, and many bugs are caused by certain overflow behaviors)

So you restricted it to implementing the same function (same inputs,outputs, dependencies as original?) and prevented the agents from making design decisions by keeping it's scope restricted?

Friendly reminder that corporate America came at Aaron Swartz.

Identical output isn’t ridiculous. It’s pretty much a requirement to ensure the game actually is the same in every way. These decomp projects are pitched as a high performance alternative to emulation.

No one is going to use it if it’s a kind of close but not really reimplementation.

Testing functional equivalence is also pretty much impossible. How would you for example test the new one has exactly the same bugs which haven’t been discovered yet. Or doesn’t introduce new ones? This stuff matters for speed runners.

The best models have O(1k tokens per second). A billion tokens, sequentially, takes 1-2 weeks. 500B takes 500x that ... not fast. The problem might not have required 500B tokens, but if it needed anything within a couple orders of magnitude then something like the given approach (or anything else yielding equivalent results in exchange for parallelism) was mandatory.

Non-SaaS, close sourced software is already dead, no? I think pretty soon we'll all be using bespoke software written by the AIs. I already use throwaway software designed for each job because it's so cheap to do so.

I wonder about this too. Although, cracking was always possible. So what changed is that people can now modify, improve proprietary software with zero technical knowledge. I can now tell Astra or Fable (maybe not Fable because of safeguards?) to add a feature to Adobe Photoshop and it might actually succeed even when prompting purely on a functional level (e.g. the functionality I want out of the program). It would take days, but I think it would succeed. Call it PhotoBench?

A future of all SaaS only works if you can't just tell a LLM what you want and get a custom implementation. I've always done a lot of personal projects, but my velocity has increased dramatically and I've replaced a number of projects that I used to pay for with custom ones that work well enough. I can't imagine that SaaS is going to be a viable model unless it involves a community that wants a unified experience, like a multiplayer game.

Most software organizations pay for is effectively a SaaS or something where software is a minor part of the artifact and support is where the real money is.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (2009) (from a previous version of the page)

>what legal leverage

PIF owns EA, when they invite you to a meeting you might start to worry about foil lined room and carpentry tools lying around

> So, if you reverse-engineer game X and post reverse-engineered code, what exactly do you infringe, how and in which jurisdiction? What changes if it is done via LLM?

In 1986 there was a federal court case, Whelan Associates Inc. v. Jaslow Dental Laboratory, in which it was ruled that the "structure, sequence, and organization" of a computer program was protected by copyright, and thus independently produced software could be found infringing if it copied these elements, even if the code were not copied (or mechanically translated) verbatim. This led to a six-year period in which computer software enjoyed generous copyright protection, such that "clones" of copyrighted software were effectively infringing. It wouldn't be until the early nineties that other court rulings would tighten the rules again, notably Computer Associates International, Inc. v. Altai Inc.. The 3-step "abstraction-filtration-comparison" test has been used by most courts since 1992 to determine whether nonliteral parts of program code are eligible for copyright protection, and whether another, independently written program is infringing.

HOWEVER, the Whelan standard was never actually overturned or stricken from U.S. law due to legislation or litigation! And companies have sued and won under the Whelan standard! Most notably, Oracle in their copyright and patent case against Google regarding Java APIs in Android. Google ultimately prevailed, but only because the Supreme Court ruled that Google's use of the APIs was fair use; they did not overturn the Federal Circuit's finding that the "structure, sequence, and organization" of the Java declaration code was ineligible for copyright! And I doubt that the Supreme Court would similarly smile on a reverse-engineered complete video game!

I believe that these reverse-engineered projects infringe copyright, under the Whelan standard and perhaps under the stricter Altai standard as well. You do not get a free pass because the original code was in C and yours is in Rust; or because you created a slightly different version of each function in the original code.

It's not really comparable. When decompiling you only care about a one time result. Code quality doesn't matter much. Stability doesn't matter much. Only whether the result is accurate. Once you have the matching decompiled code, all tools used until that point will be usually thrown away.

Normal development isn't so lucky, you do care about code quality. So you have to review the code the agents write and handle the testing yourself. The agents will not do what you want, they'll do what they think you want, and you're the only person who knows what you think.

This stuff is all done on highly subsidized subscription plans. I suspect Antropic is quite happy to sell these people $100k of compute for $4k because it boosts their growth numbers and they can tell investors once they stop subsidizing, this will grow to $100k. Despite the fact that most of this stuff simply wouldn't be done without the subsidization.

I struggle to believe that someone would find it worth that much money to have a decompiled version of a game they also commit to keeping private.

Where are you getting 150-400 per million input?

https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/pricing https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/about-claude/pricing

OpenAI and Anthropic are both 10/mil in.

https://openrouter.ai/z-ai/glm-5.3#providers https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3#providers Other frontier models are like 1-3/mil in.

Also, 500 billion is 500,000 millions. At the lower end of your 140/mil estimate that's 70 million dollars. Even at my 2/mil lookup for Chinese frontier models that's one million. Show your math for 100k-750k, please.

The vast majority of these tokens are cache input tokens so even at API price the cost would be much lower.