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▲ debazel 5 hours ago

If AI continues to improve at the current rate for 40 years then there is unlikely to be such a thing as a career.

Manual labor and trades is likely to be one of the last things to go, so the whole "dropout of school and go into trades" crowd may have been more correct than ever, though their original reasoning was not.

▲UncleOxidant 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Manual labor and trades is likely to be one of the last things to go

Yes, this is likely true. Plumber & Electrician on existing construction will likely take a long time (relatively speaking) to automate. And even if we end up being able to do it, it could be that humans will be the cheapest option when it comes to a lot of manual jobs especially given that there will be a large supply of unemployed humans in many scenarios.

▲hnfong 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

I wouldn't bet a single dime on that, especially with the advancements in robotics (have you seen the Chinese robots?)

Especially if the timeline is 40 years (as opposed to, say... 4.) I have no doubt AI-assisted robotics development would have solved the plumber and electrician jobs in a decade or two.

▲somenameforme an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lots of people are seeing a future where LLMs will 'knock out' many things that we currently take for value, but not considering our reactions to that. It's akin to how many economists, most famously Keynes, thought increases in productivity (less than we've long since achieved) would lead humanity to a point where we'd eventually only be working for fulfillment and routine, perhaps 15 hours a week. LLMs are going to bring the value of most digital cognitive work to something approaching $0. But all that's going to do is open up a huge vacuum in the economy for other things to become more valued, and for things to then be built on top of the now universally available near-free cognitive work.

So the obvious things that will probably increase in value will be stuff done/created in the real world, and creative work. We're also likely on the cusp of humanity having a much greater presence in the cosmos which will likely create the biggest labor boom in human history. I think the time-scale could also be far sooner than some might anticipate. We went from glorified markov chains to 'gg cognitive jobs' in a very brief period of time.

Something similar could happen in space going from 'neat we landed on Mars' to YOLO Galactic Imperia Humania, even if the earliest motivations may be as banal as 'We need to get to Europa [1] before China!' This is even more probable given the ability to defacto use this as a modern Works Progress Administration. [2] The countries left on Earth are going to see their influence shrink rapidly relative to countries that begin establishing meaningful grips on bodies outside of Earth.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(moon)

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration

▲landgenoot 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't you think a robot can fix your toilet as well?

Why are meta glasses such a big deal? Because they need training data for manual labor.

▲appplication 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The challenge is not will robots fix toilets but will the economics support it if we end up with most of the world unemployed and without careers. Yes of course we can hand wave basic income and government intervention but reading the room (e.g. last 70+ years of US labor and capital trends) it’s not the most likely outcome, even if it is the most game theory optimal for all.

Realistically the outcome of highly capable advanced AI is an economic dark age more than anything else.

▲UncleOxidant 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I read The Mountain in the Sea by Ray Nayler a couple years back. In it AIs were running ocean fishing fleets. They figured out that robots were too expensive and prone to malfunction at sea, so they would have the robots kidnap people on shore, drug them and then have them wake up on the ships too far out in the ocean to be able to escape and thenm tell them they could get back home if they work.

▲CGamesPlay 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Humans were doing a hundred years ago in reality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghaiing

▲hnfong 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's hilarious to read stuff like this.

Robots automating everything and humans not needing to work was the stuff paradise fantasies were made of.

Sure, it would be the end of capitalism (which, I guess you could describe as "economic dark age"), but people these days have so little imagination what life outside of capitalism looks like that ideal societies sound like a horror story.

▲ptidhomme 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The AI overlords will eventually consider the majority of human lives to be worthless. Let's face it, one day we will need to fight for mere survival.

▲x-complexity 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Why are meta glasses such a big deal? Because they need training data for manual labor.

Meta glasses are a terrible example for the case you're making a point about: 90+% of whatever video they'll capture will be trash data.

It'd be much more efficient to set up dedicated sites just for producing the very same training data you're claiming they harvest.

▲beej71 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would you pay for a robot to do it when you could just hire one of the 20 million new plumbers (ex-developers, high school graduates, etc.) who just retrained and entered the field?

▲rob74 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Unlike code, with a toilet it can be very unpleasant and/or expensive if AI gets it wrong three times before fixing it correctly.

▲yuhmahp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Better to train on our own adaptability, which to an extend includes an advanced understanding of personal mental health

▲mike_ivanov 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, all we know is that things will change, but we don't know exactly how. So - increase your tolerance to sudden life swifts and learn to enjoy uncertainty.

▲beej71 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If it crashes, there will still be trades jobs but they won't pay enough to eat. What can you charge for electrical work when everyone is either broke or an electrician?