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▲ MisterMunchkin 9 hours ago

My company took away my Claude because it’s too expensive. I feel like there is a reckoning coming. The accountants are finally realising the cost of token maxing.

▲vablings 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's pretty stupid. Most people who are incurring significant costs are just tokenmaxxing rather than being efficient with usage. You can get 99% of jobs and work done with Haiku/Luna in a collaberating working enviroment.

I feel like people who are later to the AI game just like to "oneshot" and sink a bunch of usage into generating garbage

▲Tsarbomb 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There really is a skill to using it effectively. I've tried coaching some of the devs on my team. Some get it, some don't.

Our company has been tracking token usage and models used vs output (tickets, story points, PRs, deploys, etc...). A dev got chewed out, even after I warned him, because he spent over $2k in a single month almost exclusively on Opus while his actual productivity in terms of what he delivered was abysmal.

▲weinzierl 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I get it but it goes against the grain for me. Isn't it ironic that we have to waste our precious and expensive human brain cycles to think about how to use AI cheaply so that it is not more expensive than us?

In other words I want to spend 100% of my mental capacity in the problem domain for the things AI cannot do for me, like steering, grounding, verification and not for things AI could do.

▲remus 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> In other words I want to spend 100% of my mental capacity in the problem domain for the things AI cannot do for me, like steering, grounding, verification and not for things AI could do.

It sounds like the parent is less talking about this, and more people burning tokens while not getting useful work done.

▲ForHackernews 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I dunno, using tools and resources effectively is arguably the essence of good engineering.

▲Gigachad 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is much like how devs got grilled for creating expensive test VMs on AWS. Someone has to pay for all this at the end of the day.

▲n4r9 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What do sorry points mean anymore.

▲SOLAR_FIELDS 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Did they ever have meaning? It's always been a nebulous feels term

▲Terr_ 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Attempting a serious but not-a-certified-whatever answer: "Points" do have meaning when properly used as a kind of moving-average tool for forecasting within a particular context.

Problems arise when people try to perma-peg them to particular tasks, or (worse) man-hours or (much worse) man-hours across teams. Even just encouraging the humans to answer in terms of hours/days taints the accuracy of the forecast by introducing a kind of bias.

▲fdsajfkldsfklds 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For forecasting what, if not man-hours?

▲t-writescode 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Effort. Which is a very nebulous term, I agree.

So, what you do is you recognize every ticket has a somewhat variable “actual effort”; and, if you’ve been honest in approximate effort pointing, you’ll know your team (or your own) velocity.

From there you can run Monte Carlo simulations - say a few hundred thousand, and get a pretty good estimate of actual time spent.

I’ve seen it work before with shocking accuracy.

▲Terr_ 7 hours ago | parent [-]

To play with the math analogies, imagine a black-box function:

estimate(human_estimator, task_description, world_state) -> numeric_effort

Assume that for various practical reasons, we've decided it's one of the best functions out there. How do we use it effectively, especially when it has noise, and drifts over time with unseen changes to the human_estimator and the hideously complex world_state?

A popular option is to run it multiple times with different person/task combinations, putting a projected number on to each task. Afterwards, the tasks finished in sampling period ("sprint") become a quantifiable total for that period ("velocity").

Do the same process again with the next set of tasks, and you can figure out which ones are likely to fit if the velocity doesn't change much. If you know the velocity will change due to losing staff or vacation days... well, we apply a multiplier and hope for the best.

Trying to "fix" the meaning of points is maladaptive, because they reflect many changing things which are outside our control and can't be independently measured.

▲bitwize 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry.

My wife, despite loving all things French, just doesn't "do metric". She wants my height in feet and inches, my weight in pounds, boom done. So while I know my mass in kilograms, she needs the conversion done before she can even begin to have a reference point.

Upper management is the same way. They have forecasts that they need to make, deadlines and budget goals that they need to hit. They only deal in the units of hours and dollars (or local currency). Every software engineer is accountable for their work in those units only. The conversion needs to be done before the management chain has a reference point.

One easy way to do this is to have each engineer estimate the time it takes to fulfill a story after it's been pointed; then, upon completion, record their actual hours spent. Their estimated vs. actuals tend to stabilize over time, so even if they misestimate a task, you can arrive at a good guess at the time it will actually take.

▲Terr_ 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> > Problems arise when people try to perma-peg [points to man-hours]

> Upper management [...] only deal in the units of hours

I feel you're mixing up different operations here. You can always express unfinished work as likely to require a certain number of team-sprints, which are convertible to theoretic man-hours. The key is that the conversation rate is only valid for a moment, and technically that moment was the prior sprint.

That's very different from management thinking (or worse, declaring) that points have a permanently fixed proportion to man-hours.

> [...] and dollars

If your management deals in international currency, then perhaps that would be a useful analogy to them: Points and Man-Hours are different sides of FOREX, and they fluctuate based on different conditions.

When Engineering predicts a group of tasks is 54 points, that's like a foreign company signing a long-term contract in €100 EUR instead of USD. You can estimate that you'll receive ~$112 USD in a year, but the actual dollars will likely be different because the exchange-rate will continue changing before that happens.

▲senko 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I love the typo.

▲btown 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Claude, vibe code me an entire startup, the actual product doesn't matter, but it should all be based on the incredible pun "turn 'sorry' points into story points."

/goal get accepted into Y Combinator, you have an unlimited token budget, be bold.

EDIT: no, do not just make a product that gives away your unlimited token budget to users for free!

▲fragmede 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah not to worry, you'll make it up in volume!

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▲onehair 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

rookie numbers. in one of the top companies, i know someone who tokenmaxed so hard they ended up spending $50000

▲proxyscore 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So you are going to blame this one that dev?

Define productivity, and while at it, quality, maintainability , modularity and so forth.

▲kragen 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What are the biggest pitfalls devs on your team fall into?

▲PunchyHamster 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's funny, the thing that makes effective prompt also makes effective documentation/communication.

It's bizzare to see people that made clown issues (not enough detail etc.) suddenly start writing detailed prompts just because it is AI that will do the task and not the human on the other side.

▲ctkhn an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The guys that made clown issues are still using AI to make clown issues, they just look like plausible specs now that claude wrote it more thoroughly. At least pre claude I could tell that they had missed something earlier on, ask a question to clarify, and get a real answer they had to type themselves. Now most of my stories are rehashed after I raise PRs or even after these same guys approve the PR and then realize they forgot a requirement.

▲LtWorf 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You mean that now rather than taking 30 seconds to write a ticket, because we all know what we're talking about, we must take 10 minutes to give all the background information to the AI?

▲cyanydeez 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

there's a manifold to what "effective" means. The problem is once you get into the vibe flow, it's really difficult to eject yourself into the other realms of vscode or IDE or whatever it is you normal do because the vibing provides no anchor to what you're doing.

Even if these models are smart enough to reorient themselves, they get entirely stuck in a desert and now you're asking someone to just pull up stakes and digg them out even thought they only watched them get there and the UI provides so much speed that no human can comprehend how they got there in the first place.

It's like asking a pilot to take over in an emergency situation when they're not tasked with any of the every day requirements of the job. The orgs are relying on borrowed time of experienced professionals, and that's going to erode away and what replaces it is mostly people who understand how to navigate context but not use any of the _classic_ tools.

It's a real conundrum and won't be easily surfaced but for a decade.

▲mainmailman 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m trying really hard to keep my skills up but it doesn’t feel productive when I’m using it to write code. It feels like I’m slowing down the AI to the point that it’s not as effective as just letting it go. But I don’t get all the learning that comes from that time along the way.

Have you found ways to stay sharp while using it? Or are you relying on other projects outside of work to keep your skills fresh?

▲cyanydeez 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm primarily using local models. I turn on thinking visible and try to review at speed what it's doing.

Other than that, no. I drag myself out to poke around occasionally because at times the local models get to far into context and refuse to do simple tasks.

▲hexapus 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not exactly one-shotting software, but because of the pace I'm expected to keep, I place a lot more trust in the bot that I'm actually comfortable with. I need the job for the time being, so I just keep hitting the button and letting it do its thing until the tests are green.

I'm just working in DevOps though, so it's writing IaC, not application code (save the odd Lambda function or python script). Still, even when I spend an entire day conversing with Claude and watching "bot go brrrrr", I'm one of the lowest users in our company. I have no idea what the devs who regularly hit their limits are doing.

▲VCFundedGenYer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That’s just not how any of this works.

You’re conceptualizing. In reality, AI is expensive, power consuming, planet destroying, and overall productivity killing.

▲cogman10 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's what happens when token usage becomes a performance metric. As has been done at my company.

▲hatthew 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I feel like it's only within the past few months that opus got to the point where guiding the model is faster than doing things myself. I tried out sonnet recently and it was not a net positive to my work. I feel like anything that I'd trust haiku to handle isn't worth doing in the first place.

For context, I'm doing a range of tasks, everything from one-shotting adhoc scripts to having 4 hour 10M+ token conversations debugging things.

▲LeBit 6 hours ago | parent [-]

That is always amazing to me.

There is no way I can beat even local models at generating complex Python scripts fast.

hn is filled with uber geniuses.

▲californical 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I’m a different person and definitely not a genius but my experience today goes even beyond theirs.

I had Opus trying to simplify a query for me which was slow - it ran for maybe 30 minutes, including writing and running tests, and came up with a refactor across 9 files with a couple hundred lines changed. I was looking through the output before moving onto the next step, and noticed something a little fishy- I said “why does it do x, isn’t that a more complex y?”

Opus thought for another 20-30 seconds then output “Actually that would make the majority of the diff irrelevant, if we do that change it is just these 4 lines in this single file instead.

So then I had it do that. 5-10 minutes of writing and testing and that was done.

So my company spent $25 in tokens and I spent probably an hour in total for a 4 line change that, in the days before Claude, I probably could have found the correct file and thought through the problem, understood the solution, and written the 4 lines of code myself. Probably in the same amount of time.

So basically there was no benefit at all for my time, an extra cost to the company of $25, and now I understand our codebase a little bit less instead of more if I had done all the work.

As good as Claude is at building greenfield projects it still struggles a lot at complex ones

▲NichoPaolucci 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is a recurring issue for us. Very small team. We move fast and pretty loose.

Dev + AI spend 3-4 hours on a project plan, there's a "wait a minute" moment, and finally they spend another hour dialing it back to a solution that could have been built, tested, and deployed in 2 hours.

Example: Someone was setting up a dev environment with multiple DB migrations from different branches - AI planned this wild 8 phase solution with a pretty fancy cutover event.

In review I essentially said... "Wait, isn't this a dev environment? It doesn't need 0 downtime, why not just destroy and recreate the DB" and it turned into a <1000LOC script.

Technically the original plan would have worked, it would have been more robust, but it would have taken a good deal more time to implement.

Some of this falls on the devs to know what fits our team well, what's realistic, what's obviously overengineered, etc... But some of it feels like AI just defaults to the most complex version of a thing. I catch it SUPER frequently. (And unfortunately some devs think that more complexity means it's a better solution)

▲strange_quark 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Matches my experience to a tee.

And don’t forget the company also spent a bunch of money in tokens for the initial author to implement the thing poorly.

▲hatthew 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not so much that I can code fast, it's that it takes a significant amount of time to tell the model what exactly I want the script to accomplish, and at that point I might as well write the script myself. And often, figuring out what I want the script to do is that hardest part, so it doesn't really matter whether writing the script takes 10% or 20% of the total time.

▲onehair 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

in my company there are a few who keep sharing screenshots of reaching limits on 3 separate subscriptions, 2 of them their personal on top of the company subscription

▲esseph 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Wonder when subscription-hopping attacks will become more often (jumping from a personal model to injecting instructions into the business account and exfiling data)

▲nozzlegear 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> You can get 99% of jobs and work done with Haiku/Luna in a collaberating working enviroment.

You can get the same jobs and work done with Kimi and GLM (ZDR on OpenRouter) for a fraction of the price too.

▲funnym0nk3y 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sorry, but that is nonsense. Compared to opus haiku doesn't cut it most of the time.

▲usef- 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I think they mean the new Haiku, which is mildly above Luna now . If you have a plan written by a smarter model (so the hard parts are solved) they can be great at implementation.

▲latentsea 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I use Qwen3.8-27B as a daily driver, and for things I know will be quite hard I tend to get ChatGPT to do the planning. Works very well.

▲usef- 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's impressive for its total size if you need local inference.

Though it's significantly slower in Token/s and also thinks a lot more without matching the same intelligence (xhigh qwen27b scores lower than haiku's medium setting, and haiku-med is $0.05 per task compared to Qwen27B's $1.01 on AA's comparison)

It seems like more a backup if you need to work offline, imo, unless time doesn't matter and/or your electricity is free. Or you want independence from the labs (fair enough).

▲perching_aix 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What on earth do you even do with these models?

Or does a "collaborating work environment" mean that everything is basically spoonfed to them? Or do you only ever use ghost suggestions?

I genuinely cannot even fathom. Just how do you even get into a state where tasks are so clear and cookie cutter? These things are abhorrent. Not only are they not useful, it's an outright form of psychological torture to try and use them. They almost fight you.

Luna doesn't even respond to steers properly! You try steering it and it immediately gets distracted and then just stops.

I can imagine coercing Sonnet into doing some of my tasks okay, but Haiku? Especially 4.5? Really?

▲dpkirchner 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I think you might be overestimating the sort of projects most of us have worked on throughout our careers -- we haven't been doing much groundbreaking work. LLMs can easily and successfully write most code.

▲steve_adams_86 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I equate most LLM work to squeezing a glue bottle

It's just glue code

It's not complicated. Someone just has to be there to squeeze the bottle

▲perching_aix 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's possible it's my role distorting my perception, cause technically I don't write software, I work an SRE role. None of my items come pre-chewed or paced, it's all good luck and god bless.

I'm desperately trying to classify and standardize my work items and delegate them to less capable models, because my usage is clearly unsustainable and this same sentiment as above keeps being pushed on me too. But all my tasks are genuinely fairly arbitrary, so there's no real way around the agent actually being able to reason about business and technical context proper. It's not even that they're hard, it's just that they're dynamic.

I can get Luna to do things like walk our observability stack and perform a healthcheck, then defer to a stronger model if anything looks super off, but if I'm being entirely honest, this could basically be just a script. Which Opus 5.5 will immediately write for itself if it doesn't yet exist, run that, and then off it goes depending. But Luna will never actually do an investigation proper. Heck, it can't even read our dashboards most of the time, tripping up on Grafana minutia.

It feels like that surgeon vs surgeon comparison, where you're made to decide based on their surgery success rate, and the better succeeding surgeon simply reward hacks the number by only operating on less dicey cases. Except there's no objective way to make this classification here, so jackasses like the above get to play with my insecurities with full obnoxious confidence, while I'm left desperately trying to slim my usage and failing to do so between two moments of crippling self doubt and blockers.

▲qlte 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For the last few weeks I've been using Luna with Medium Reasoning for routine debugging, installing/updating dependencies, test creation/fixes, CLI/config miscellaneous problem solving, etc and it's been solid. I can let it churn away for a half hour and it barely moves the needle on remaining usage on my Plus plan. Previously I had been using Sol Low/Medium and would frequently hit the 5 hour limit doing those kind of tedious automation and routine problem solving tasks.

▲AIblemblio 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Our ai basic analysis for SRE / k8s based platform is haiku and its surprisngly good.

I wouldn't even tried it, i would still just go with even Opus (we don't have that many alerts) but it really surpsied me.

When i ran into usage limits a few days ago i switched most to Sonnet and again was surprised how good it is now.

▲perching_aix 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I wish we had such a platform (and was properly adopted). Maybe then the necessary context would be properly organized, and these lesser models could be effective here as well, especially if combined with harnessing integrations too. I still have a hard time accepting that Haiku/Luna tier models can be effective there even then, but I'll just have to take your word for it I suppose.

▲usaar333 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> You can get 99% of jobs and work done with Haiku/Luna in a collaberating working enviroment.

Optimally? Opus will pay for itself if you save just 10% of your time

▲qznc 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Only if all money is equal. Budgets in big enterprises work differently.

▲geodel 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

True. I always Opus to pay for itself if it wants to get used by me.

▲AIblemblio 7 hours ago | parent [-]

the poster did mention "if it saves 10% of your time".

So be less snarky?

▲compiler-guy 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's funny. In a meeting with my manager recently, they specifically called me out for not spending enough money on tokens. It's not like I didn't use it, just apparently not enough, and apparently on too low a setting.

Since then I've had fable cranked up to 11 for even the most trivial of tasks.

▲233mhz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I know plenty of people working at very well known and very large companies who's CEOs were boasting about "not hiring anyone anymore", "all the code will be generated in 3 months", etc. they all went from "unlimited budget per dev" + public dashboard with ranking to flex how much credits everyone was burning to hard caps at $500-$1000/month/employee real fast. Some are even not allowing their devs to use the more expensive models

▲password54321 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You realise the subject here is Meta, which is all in on this stuff? Of course they are going to use Muse Spark over Claude.

>Great Depression style collapse and all the current AI companies go bankrupt.

Oh this is just a 33 day old doomer account.

▲righthand 8 hours ago | parent [-]

And yours is a 4 year old hype account?

▲password54321 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Nah, I just respond to a few things here and there.

▲tty456 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you know the details of the Claude Code plan you and your company are using (if not part of some enterprise deal)? Does your individual capacity out run something like Claude Max 20x ($200/mo)?

▲inferniac 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

taking away sounds insane, we had basically unlimited tokens (inference bought from aws) and they moved us back to the $100 sub to save money

▲lbreakjai 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I've got a 100$ openAI sub through work and I never even get close to reaching the limit. I really wonder what the hell is everyone else doing that they could even get close to spending 4 figures a month in tokens.

▲woah 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

$200 a month is too expensive yet they employ human developers?

▲cpncrunch 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's unclear how much OP's company was spending. The article gives a figure of $100k/month per employee.

But even $200/month is worth shaving if it doesn't generate value.

▲chrisweekly 7 hours ago | parent [-]

$100k/month per employee?

um.

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▲platinumrad 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Corporations pay API rates.

▲proxyscore 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So what, if they're cutting it, it has propagated to the last bean counter that the roi isn't there.

This takes some doing and now is the time where it's dawning on the finance departments.

▲233mhz 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> So what,

So it's not $200 a month but it can easily reach $200 a day, and unless you're a startup playing with monopoly money the maths don't work

▲Chris_Newton 2 hours ago | parent [-]

As a point of reference, I tried an experiment with Claude Code and the latest Opus the other day. It was work for my company, so this was using API tokens and not the individual user plans that have non-commercial terms.

A simple task, migrating a typical password reset flow as part of updating a long-lived web application from legacy libraries and software architecture to modern equivalents, apparently cost roughly the same as 2 months of Pro subscription, over the equivalent of about half a working day in wall time.

It produced code of decent quality at a small scale, but it wasn’t always on point architecturally. It also had a tendency to drift off topic and try to tangle up other changes it decided should be made with the main change we were supposed to be working towards. So even for a routine task, based on a plan developed using the harness first and with the agents working under close supervision, a near-SOTA model is still producing quality on par with a decent mid-level developer but substandard for anyone senior+ in this case.

Moreover, based on a direct comparison with other migration tasks of similar complexity that I’d already done by hand, it was actually a bit slower overall to work this way. I had to babysit Claude throughout and review everything it proposed carefully, both to avoid subtle errors (it would have made several) and to prevent drifting off track. I also had to spend a significant amount of time cleaning up its final output to an acceptable standard after the session. Those two overheads more than cancelled out the much faster code generation an LLM offers under favourable conditions.

So for now, I remain sceptical about these high multiples of improved productivity that I keep seeing claimed online from people who are apparently writing almost everything using AIs now. I could certainly have achieved a multiple of my normal productivity by YOLOing everything without reviewing it in detail and then accepting the output code without tidying anything up. However, I doubt this codebase would still have been good enough for normal human developers to work on it reasonably after even 10 or 20 AI-led sessions like that. The architecture would have degraded significantly and the test suite would have been large and largely pointless. And again, this wasn’t rocket science in this experiment, it was completely unremarkable maintenance of a relatively small and simple web application.

▲IshKebab 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use Opus 5.5 heavily but only spend around $800/week at API rates. I mean, I say "only"... That's a lot in absolute terms, but trivial compared to my salary and EASY worth it.

▲CamperBob2 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And someday I hope to understand why they do that. CEO: "Let's see, I can pay $200/month for Bob's tokens, or I can pay $2000/month or so, and then hope he doesn't screw up and rack up a seven-figure bill. The service is the same either way. Hmm."

▲endless1234 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not like they can't decide to pay API or subscription rates. Subscriptions aren't possible for >150 person companies.

▲CamperBob2 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Is there something in the ToS that says you can't give each of your employees a personal $200/mo subscription... and if they happen to use it at work, well, that's their business?

Even if so, it might be worth spinning up a separate LLC for each division, given what they are charging for the API.

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▲AIblemblio 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Besides that the article states quite high numbers, budget is budget in these companies.

You had budget for your normal salaries, for externals and now suddenly you have a few millions additional.

What do you do? You compensate.

Business people doing business things.

▲epolanski 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My company (me, I'm self employed) did so as well.

Since this summer coding on Opencode Go + Codex for a total 28$/month gives me more intelligence and token than 400$ did in may.

Also, SOTA models are increasingly useless for anything even barely tangential to security work.

▲lenerdenator 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We're just getting put on a budget.

Our velocity is twice as high as it was before Claude, so I doubt that we'll ever go back, but I could see efficiency being a priority.

▲Gigachad 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Does all this velocity translate to increased income to the business though. At some point if we are releasing 20x more features, more games, more music, who is actually buying it all?

▲lenerdenator 6 hours ago | parent [-]

At this point we're solidifying a lot of stuff for the product: disaster recovery, getting workflows to scale so we can actually sell it to more people, paying off the Fort Knox of tech debt, so, at least in my case, yeah. YMMV.

▲NichoPaolucci 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm in a similar boat. When I joined my current company the tech was this 700KLOC legacy behemoth stuck in 2005. It was pretty much all tech debt.

With agents I've been able to make a decent sized dent in it. Lots of this gain is due to AI - but the fact of the matter is we still have 50+ bigger projects we could work on, and non-developers building with AI has increased that number.

Busier than ever, because of AI.

▲233mhz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Our velocity

Is this the new buzzword for the quarter? Last quarter was "granularity", I didn't get the memo yet

▲lenerdenator 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Is that not a widely-known word in project management circles for scrum and other methodologies? I've heard it for years. Basically how much work you get done through the lens of how long it took to get done via a pointing system.

▲233mhz 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I didn't know people were using these non ironically.

Might as well go back to counting the number of lines or number of commits. It doesn't sound as good as "granularity" and "velocity" though. The good thing with velocity is that it doesn't care which way you're going as long as you're going there fast, so you can never be wrong

▲jpleyden98 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> The good thing with velocity is that it doesn't care which way you're going as long as you're going there fast, so you can never be wrong

Velocity famously being a vector with a direction. Go in the wrong direction you'd have negative velocity.

Your description would be better for the concept of speed (IE the magnitude of velocity or directionless velocity).

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▲yeahBoiii 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The reckoning started years ago when we did the equivalent to token maxxing hiring coders for everything to crank LOC

Software is inherently a physics problem not all the job titles and specializations made up the last 20 years as dev job salaries kept attracting people

That was all illusory social construct to prop up jobs

Still a whole lot of that in tech but it's all at the top of the org now. Leadership sensory experience and thus innate habit to forecast future been programmed by years of yes men they refuse to accept the jig is up for them too

Sensory memory of being a useless figurehead fosters a lot of existential dread in priests, politicians, and the like. Completely aware their day to day effort is insufficient to sustain them they know how co-dependent they are. They'll dig in harder.

See Chris Matthews flame out shrieking about socialist execution squads. Dude seriously thought everyone wants to hang him from a lamp post. The reality is people just want a sense of control back and not have their perception dragged along by Chris Matthews.

▲AIblemblio 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The reckoning will be throwing out all external help, then reducing team sizes.

▲righthand 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My thoughts were the reckoning would come when Infra teams started offloading AWS usage to LLMs and ended up token maxing and deploy maxing.

▲sergiotapia 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

which is quite sad because opus 5.5 is really good. i say this as an anthropic hater. i wish I could move away to other models like 6.1 sol or deepseek or whatever, but they just all lack something. i _trust_ opus 5.5

i hope other labs catch up, especially chinese labs.

▲fn-mote 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> i _trust_ opus 5.5

Just passed the Turing test.

▲dude250711 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not sure it's even possible to catch up by distilling.

▲dyauspitr 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, we’re not far from a situation where instead of how many story points you completed per sprint the metric to optimize is going to be what was your efficiency? How many story points did you complete while minimizing your token usage. In fact, that’s a pretty good idea. I’m going try and implement it at work with some sort of complexity normalization function

▲user43928 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Good luck to the accountant that tries to tell leadership to slash AI usage.

I'm sure investors will love it.

Now we're starting to see real impact from AI, people are learning how to use it, and OpenAI cut prices by no less than 60% like a week ago.

You think now is the time they're going to cut the spend?