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▲ Singapore govt dating app uses Gale-Shapley stable marriage algorithm(twitter.com)
172 points by rzk 15 hours ago | 102 comments

Related: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqzjzr893yv4o

▲aurareturn 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe part of the solution for any country dealing with low marriage rate is to ban all private dating apps and only government issued apps are allowed.

Private ones will always prioritize profit which means they want you to keep using the app which means they don’t want you to find a partner.

Modern dating apps makes it so that an average woman will have unlimited choices but the average man will have next to none. Before dating apps, they could have been a good match. But with dating apps, the woman has unlimited higher value men. How could these average women marry an average man if she’s being taken on dates constantly by top 5% men?

The problem is that these higher value men will not commit because they also have unlimited options.

Even if she marries an average man later in life, she will feel resentment towards him. Therefore, these women just choose to stay single. This is especially viable now because women often are more educated and have good income.

Now we can see why young men are increasingly becoming far right and longing for far more conservative world.

Modern dating apps are just manifesting natural instincts on steroids. I don’t blame either party. Just an observation.

▲rationalist 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Especially since populations are potentially in decline with fertility rates below replacement rates. It seems like an existential problem for the government if they want future taxpayers.

▲missedthecue an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Begging economists and dating app designers to understand that the problems with the dating market are not a matching problem but a clearing problem. It's very tempting to think that if one could devise a sufficiently clever algorithm they could solve these problems but it's simply barking up the wrong tree.

▲jfengel 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

What's a clearing problem? (A quick Google did not turn up an answer.)

▲missedthecue 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It's tempting to think of the problems of a dating market as a matching problem because men and women are almost equal in numbers so we just have to match them all up. A clearing problem occurs in markets, (even markets with ~equal supply and demand) when the reserve price of the transaction is not met. For example, the reason I don't own a Ferrari isn't because there isn't 1 Ferrari out there for sale, it's because I don't have enough cash to clear the transaction. Building a more powerful car sales website won't fix this problem. The reserve price is not met.

The dating market is similarly full of people who would like to clear transactions (economist speak for form a relationship), yet cannot because they do not meet the reserve price of those they want to date.

I hope my Ferrari analogy helps to illustrate the core concept, but you have realize that dating markets are even tougher than car markets, because dating is a barter market. For a transaction to clear, there needs to be a double coincidence of wants -- you can't simply use a medium of exchange like dollars to cut the transaction in half. Imagine if to buy a Ferrari you had to find a seller who also happened to need $350k worth of Linux sysadmin work done.

▲kylecazar 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think they meant post-match personal incompatibilities exist that can't be accounted for in even the most thorough profile

▲dotcoma 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

GPT

“A clearing problem” usually means a problem with settling or completing a transaction.

For example:

In banking/finance, “clearing” is the process of verifying and settling payments between banks. A clearing problem could mean a payment is delayed, rejected, or hasn’t been properly matched.

In markets, it can mean buyers and sellers aren’t being matched at the expected price/quantity.

More generally, it can mean something is preventing an obligation or transaction from being finalized.

▲truculent 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

> the problems with the dating market are not a matching problem but a clearing problem.

> In markets, it can mean buyers and sellers aren’t being matched at the expected price/quantity.

▲dotcoma 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

So why, in your opinion, do people not finalise the deal?

▲missedthecue 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They do not want to.

More specifically, they would rather be single than pair with any of the options that are realistically available to them. Hence, the market fails to clear.

▲dotcoma 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

I agree. I sure hope their government will not step in at that point and offer too many incentives to get married and disincentives to stay single, but I would not rule out this is exactly part of the plan...

▲porphyra 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

too kiasu

▲abeppu 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So on the one hand it's nice to see when a cool algorithm or framework is used IRL.

On the other hand, actually applying a 'stable marriage algorithm' to people makes a bunch of assumptions which are worth interrogating:

- Do people actually know what they want even in the short term?

- Do people's preference change meaningfully over longer periods of time?

- Does your preference _upon reading people's profiles_ have any strong relationship to your preference after spending any amount of time with them?

The property that right after being matched, no one could have matched with someone whose profile they preferred more does not mean that this will create stable relationships.

▲justonceokay an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Least they are using an algorithm that has the intended purpose of matching people. For profit dating apps are more interested in keeping you coming back then they are in creating successful relationships

▲missedthecue an hour ago | parent [-]

This is an extremely common sentiment I see online - that there is some conspiracy to keep people single to reduce subscription churn. I have run two dating apps (my own apps, not working for a company), and what I found through trial and error was that no matter how many levers you pull and tweaks you make, a lot of it is simply user-behavior problems, not a tech or product design problem. There is no reliable way for a dating app to only serve users non-committal matches for example. The reason someone's matches aren't committal is because they don't want to commit.

The thought experiment I usually pose is to ask what you think a free, open source, and community supported dating app would change. The answer is "not much".

▲jmilloy 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

My take is that it isn't about serving non-committal matches and withholding promising matches or whatever, it has more to do with whether you feel like there are better matches on the app if you just keep lookin or waiting. I can see how and app using the stable matching algorithm could really make you feel like you're getting the best match you're going to get, which I think could have a real impact on commitment.

▲computably 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> There is no reliable way for a dating app to only serve users non-committal matches for example

While that certainly sounds difficult, it sounds feasible for e.g. Facebook.

> The thought experiment I usually pose is to ask what you think a free, open source, and community supported dating app would change. The answer is "not much".

That sounds more like a framing problem. If the ultimate goal is promoting long-lasting new romantic relationships, and it's developed without any profit motive, I'd imagine a general social network that primarily organizes in-person social gatherings.

▲missedthecue 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

Facebook has a dating app and it's completely free. There are no subscriptions or paywalled features. It works about as good as all the other ones.

▲rationalist 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I am interested in creating my own dating app/website, but the problem I foresee is getting users - a Catch 22 problem.

I would like to create a service that opperated like OkCupid used to before they sold out. Visible compatibility percentages and being able to search profiles. No curation/algorithms or swiping.

I'm interested in helping people, not taking their money.

▲missedthecue 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

Getting users to dating apps is probably easier than you think. Because men will go to where the women are so you only need to work on attracting female sign ups. It's actually that simple. The best way to launch is with a waitlist of warm users in 1 large city. I've seen a lot of people pining for the 2010-era OkCupid so you probably would have plenty of people willing to give it a try.

▲miki123211 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think what you should be doing as a dating app — much more so if a government one — is some kind of RL based on length of actual marriage.

At least, you should have some algorithm estimating marriage length / likelihood of divorce based on your (non-app) statistics, and then use that as one factor for your in-app calculations.

▲missedthecue an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the stated vs revealed preference problem is very big when it comes to dating, and it's made worse that a lot of people have confusion and even shame about what their preferences actually are. And a lot of preferences are mimetic, which means demand for certain things is always outstripping supply. So it's really not even worth it to figure out someone's preferences if there is literally no one out there to pair them to.

The productive question would be to figure out how far outside someone's preferences they can go while still settling happily.

▲qprofyeh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The match is whoever wants to start on the journey with the user, at that moment, and the algorithm is there to give the potential couple a better starting point. I guess at any rate that’s better than leaving it to hope and chance.

▲drfloyd51 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t think you are legally bound to marry. And if it stops working, divorce before resentment.

▲2muchcoffeeman an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Gale-Shapely provides the best possible stable outcome for the proposing side.

You’re never going to match with people who aren’t actively looking.

You’re only ever going to match with the people who are looking at the same time as you.

Your criticisms are true of real life without apps. That’s why we have this thing called “divorce”.

Comments like these always seem to miss the point. They aren’t trying to solve marriage. They are trying to create social lubricants to get young people more interested in dating. This algorithm tries to ensure that at the very least your core values at the time match up.

▲ValentineC an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The pilot targeting only government workers reminds me a lot of Lee Kuan Yew's various eugenics policies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics#In_Singapore

It certainly doesn't help that the app conveniently targets those between 21 to 35 years of age, which is just before advanced maternal age (also the age where single Singaporeans qualify for public housing).

▲jojobas 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

Positive eugenics never stopped and there's nothing wrong about it. Also there's nothing wrong with the government promoting the creation of stable families with children born before DS risk exceeds 1/100.

▲qihqi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depending on the which gender does the initiation; the result is either male optimal (males get the best he can get, females gets the worst among those she would tolerate) or female optimal. I wonder which version this one is.

▲dotcoma 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Is it necessarily so?

And doesn't something of the same kind happen in real-life, in some societies or countries or cities male-optimal and in others female-optimal ?

▲jb1991 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The article also mentioned that, but I don’t understand it. Receivers are also making choices, so why do they end up with the worst match?

▲2muchcoffeeman an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Imagine you are the proposer. You will start at the top of your list and work your way down only if rejected. So you are guaranteed to the best you could possibly do.

Imagine A ranks X,Y,Z in that order B ranks Y,X,Z in that order C ranks X,Y,Z

X, Y, Z rank A,B,C in that order.

A will propose to X and match. B will propose to Y and match. C will propose to X and get rejected. C will propose to Y and get rejected. C will propose to Z and match.

Y will never get a proposal from A. Z will never get a proposal from A or B.

Edit: I think I fixed it.

▲jb1991 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Why will B propose to X first if their first choice is Y?

▲2muchcoffeeman 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

You’re absolutely right. I’m on my phone trying to imagine the scenarios in my head and trying to find the simplest possible example.

Maybe 4 participants is too few to clearly see what happens.

▲jezzamon an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You have to accept the best offer you get, if there's someone that you would like, you only match with them if all their better options are exhausted.

▲lalaithion an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

they could just swap the direction for each matching

▲abhchand an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is tangential but I wrote a Go utility a while back to implement this stable matching algorithm

https://github.com/abhchand/stable-matching

It’s an effective yet simple algorithm. Also widely used in North America to match medical students with their residency of choice.

▲laybak 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the Singaporean government is often described as having a "parental" approach. I guess this move would be on brand

▲vovavili 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's also known as being one of the very few countries actually capable of using state capacity to overcome serious social and economic problems. Godspeed.

▲jb1991 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's also known as being one of the very few first-world countries actually without basic freedoms, like free speech, freedom of the press, etc.

▲broodbucket an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Australia doesn't have those either, despite many people assuming we do (including most people who live here).

▲JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> basic freedoms, like free speech, freedom of the press, etc.

How is that going for us in the west?

Like, I believe in these rights. But I also think we should be open to questioning them when we’ve got anti-vaxxers and Holocaust deniers finding popular purchase among an increasingly and proudly illiterate population.

▲alex43578 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The stupidity of some shouldn't be an argument against the rights of everyone.

▲jb1991 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The net effect is ultimately positive. Societies are healthier in many ways when people are free to speak their mind.

▲jb1991 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Humans are messy but long-term nothing good has ever come from repression.

▲oatmeal1 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's basically a benevolent dictatorship due to one party being in charge for the last 67 years.

▲jb1991 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Not just one party, but one family.

▲motionlessveloc 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

The current prime minister is unrelated to the Lee family, and none of the third generation Lees seem particularly interested in politics.

▲vovavili an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Whoever governs Singapore must have that iron in him.

▲outside1234 an hour ago | parent [-]

The Singaporean president gets paid USD$2M a year.

▲baggy_trough 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Well worth it so far.

▲PorciiVorbesc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sometimes a benevolent dictatorship is better than a perverted and corrupt democracy. Democracy isn't the perfect be-all and end-all form of governance that will work well for everyone, a fact even ancient greeks recognized. Letting the masses decide the future of a country just because they're the majority is like letting the passengers fly the plane because they outnumber the crew.

While many countries in the west have a two or multi party system due to historical reasons, on certain issues they often just function as controlled opposition, making your vote worthless anyway, with political battles between parties now being mostly and ideological circus to keep the unwashed masses distracted and divided while they get robbed blind, rather than focused on actually fixing things for the working class.

If Singapore can skip this expensive time consuming circus and just get shit done, then good for them, but I don't want our western leaders to take the wrong lesson and move us to a dictatorship as the promised solution to fix things, which is what I feel they're trying.

▲missedthecue 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Benevolent dictatorship is probably always the best form of government. I would even say a benevolent dictatorship is superior to a functioning democracy. The main (and unsolvable) issue is that there is no reliable mechanism to ensure they are and that they stay benevolent.

▲bijowo1676 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Singapore is the case when you can just rely on your government to do its job and they will do the job properly!!!!

Can't remember when it was last time you could rely on western government to do the right thing

▲Barrin92 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

the kind of issues that Singapore has been fairly effective at, getting people to speak the same tongue or not spitting on the street, what you could put into a bucket of 'public discipline' measures I think is over-romanticized.

The country has been effective at it but so was Prussia or England. Singapore has increasingly complex social issues you aren't going to solve with a cane, and government organized marriage likely will go as well as government cheese

▲vovavili an hour ago | parent [-]

It has achieved the highest global GDP per capita is just a couple dozen of years, starting as a small bit of swamp forcibly kicked out Malaysia. I think it's unfair to say that people are over-romanticizing these sorts of accomplishments.

▲motionlessveloc 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

Starting out at the second richest city in Asia after Shanghai, you mean.

The PAP likes its "fishing village in a swamp" trope, and post-war Singapore certainly had its share of problems, but it was already a wealthy trading entrepot long before Lee Kuan Yew came along.

▲blater 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Correct - this isn't new, it's how it works there. Single new grads in the 80's & 90's were being offered government funded beach holidays on graduation where they were paired with selected dating partners.

▲chaostheory 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Before Xi, Singapore is what China aspired to become. Totally onbrand

▲doctorpangloss 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Makes little sense.

China is a cultural and diaspora behemoth. Completely apples to oranges comparison.

What about countries similar to Singapore's size and wealth? An interesting thing to look at: how many US electeds are Singapore, Israel, Hong Kong or Taiwan 1st-generation heritage or born? I like this number because you cannot fake it (unlike so many things, like statistics reported by countries that are not free), you cannot buy an election or run a PR campaign to pretend you had a successful election, and it measures a real notion of power (something the CCP aspires to have): Singapore 0, China 9, Taiwan 11, Hong Kong 4, Israel 7.

Anyway I don't really buy into this line of thinking but it is interesting to me to look at a place that isn't really free, like Singapore, and figure out how it affects me.

▲chaostheory an hour ago | parent [-]

"In 1992, Deng exhorted CCP cadres to “learn from the world, especially from Singapore”, touching off a “Singapore fever” in PRC political and academic circles."

https://jamestown.org/fortnight-end-singapore-model/

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/607615/summary

https://www.thinkchina.sg/politics/construction-singapore-mo...

https://www.fairobserver.com/economics/china-and-its-mentor-...

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/singapores-success-cont...

https://www.fpri.org/article/2019/12/the-odd-couple-singapor...

▲throw0101c 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Stable marriage algorithm or stable matching algorithm?

> In mathematics, economics, and computer science, the Gale–Shapley algorithm (also known as the deferred acceptance algorithm,[1] propose-and-reject algorithm,[2] or Boston Pool algorithm[1]) is an algorithm for finding a solution to the stable matching problem.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gale–Shapley_algorithm

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_matching_problem

▲thaumasiotes 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It is in fact known as the stable marriage algorithm. It's not known as the stable matching algorithm.

▲storywatch 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder if it's made by the same people behind

https://aphrodite.global/

The project was partially started by some students/scholars from there.

▲edoceo 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anyone tried this algo to match co-founders?

▲motionlessveloc 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A reminder that Singapore has plenty of history with government-sponsored dating, notably the Social Development Unit (SDU), aka "Single, Desperate and Ugly".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Development_Network

Created appropriately enough in 1984, it had explicitly eugenicist goals (discussed at length in Wikipedia), since Lee Kuan Yew was quite worried about the Idiocracy scenario where the lower classes out-procreate top talent and lead to societal decline.

▲jojobas 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This assumes everyone puts their preferences and dealbreakers faithfully and not so as to score best/most chicks. I wonder what comes out of this.

▲djoldman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Link to the website: https://firstdate.sandbox.gov.sg/

▲beeforpork 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice! But is there an app with this algorithm/strategy/design for finding good matches for casually having fun together? All the apps I know suck.

▲PorciiVorbesc 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> finding good matches for casually having fun together?

Basically all dating apps are optimized for enabling casual hookups at this point.

>All the apps I know suck.

Do ALL the apps suck, or are you maybe not appealing enough for being picked for casual hookups by the users on the app?

▲pamcake 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Think more platonic hanging out. Hiking, game night, grabbing a drink.

▲rrr_oh_man 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Do ALL the apps suck, or are you maybe not appealing enough for being picked for casual hookups by the users on the app?

Dunno, @beeforpork sounds hawt

▲nextaccountic 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The app has an incentive to suck unless you pay

▲whatshisface 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Go recheck your calculations, you'll notice something about their incentive in the case where you pay.

▲missedthecue 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

No, it doesn't. Because the value of a dating app is in its size. The bigger you are and the more options you can provide users, the better the experience is for everyone - paying and nonpaying customer alike. Given that most users of any dating app will be non-paid, making them miserable causes the largest portion of your users to leave, making the app a little worse and less competitive for everyone. Those paying and those not paying.

Further, customer psychology doesn't tend to reward paying to improve a bad experience. Users are more like to pay to upgrade an already good experience.

There is a very common idea that there is some conspiracy on dating apps to prevent coupling up as some strategy to reduce subscription churn, but it really just isn't true. The market is plenty large enough. Millions of relationships end every day. Millions of people turn 18 every day and enter the (online) dating world. The cold hard truth is that almost every complaint about the online dating experience is a complaint about human behavior, not about something remediable with better product design.

Source: I used to build and run dating apps.

▲derektank 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would you need a pairwise matching algorithm for finding friends? Friends are generally not exclusive nor rivalrous

▲waldrews 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's about prioritizing candidates for the costly initial audition, and breaking symmetry for the introduction, something particularly useful for people who can't just approach other at random in a social setting.

▲notpushkin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This could work for that purpose in a pinch. You do actually get other matches afterwards, you just don’t get an infinite feed of other candidates and can focus on having great time with the one you’ve got.

▲Joakal 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

meetup and other related apps have always been best for finding people with related interests.

If they don't have your interests, feel free to start a new group?

▲TFNA 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Meetup got enshittified years ago already, and the changes drove away the small communities that once made up so much of the site; the only groups which prosper on it now are mainly large for-profit ventures.

In places where there is a healthy ecosystem of casual, non-rapacious meetups, that is overwhelmingly organized via Facebook, not Meetup.

▲exhilaration 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thank you, I just learned a new word.

Rapacious

ADJECTIVE

1 given to seizing for plunder or the satisfaction of greed.

2 inordinately greedy; predatory; extortionate.

a rapacious disposition.

grasping, voracious,

Synonyms:

ravenous

Antonyms: generous

3 (of animals) subsisting by the capture of living prey; predacious.

▲rrr_oh_man 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

FYI, Meetup got acquired by Bending Spoons and it seems it's being de-enshittified.

▲bluebarbet 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>Meetup got enshittified years ago already

Citation needed. Not my experience at all. And it has the major benefit of being independent of the tech giants, who already know too much about your social graph.

▲dnautics 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which side do they screw over (the choosers get their worst possible match and the bidders get their best possible match)

▲bakugo 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trying to fix falling birth rates with an official government dating app shows they don't understand the problem in the slightest, as dating apps are one of the main causes of declining birth rates in the first place.

▲pydry 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

this is their third attempt at a government run dating service I think :/

it's low key kind of funny how they keep reaching for the quick fix to their collapsed birth rates instead of changing the things that would cost real money or make them less desirable to foreign investors.

▲aw4rzs 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What things could Singapore change to fix their birth rates? Empirically, nothing that any country is trying is working.

▲PorciiVorbesc 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>nothing that any country is trying is working.

Because most countries aren't actually trying anything nor can the government do much in that regard when the issues are cultural and emotional.

The low-birthrate couples who can't/don't want kids aren't suddenly gonna want them if you give them 3 months of paid maternity leave and a monthly stipend or other such welfare perks.

And those who do have kids because of government welfare perks, were having kids anyway, they're now incentivized to have even more.

▲nemomarx 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

3 months of leave or a small welfare payment are not sufficiently compelling alternatives to a career. Pay them at the level of a career and see if that changes the numbers - I feel like at least some people would be interested in that. (Say, median national income? Spitballing here)

The countries that do try seem to fall short of actually replacing even a few years of serious career work and offer no way to go back to that career after taking care of children for a while, so you just need to do that.

▲gib444 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah the world is in a 60 year trend in declining births. An app isn't going to fix anything

Increase women's education, labour participation, reduce infant mortality, have good access to birth control, and make life expensive...You're not going to get babies

▲fragmede 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What would you do if you were the Singaporean government?

▲vuurmot 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Japan is doing it well

Crash the economy and reduce people's purchasing power

Make them poor, and the birth rate will rise (Japan birth rate is rising) =)

▲irjustin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Bigger HDBs

▲fHr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

0-worlding

▲thomasfl 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Will Tinder be blamed for the sudden decline in fertility rate? Is there any other plausible explanstion to South Korea’s sudden and dramatic drop in fertility rate to 0.8? No matter how bad the housing market is or the job market is, there has never in history been such a drop in population.

▲glitchc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The only new variable in the last century of humanity is birth control. All others (hypergamy, economic mobility, migration, etc.) are recurring and have not impacted birth rates significantly in the past.

▲password54321 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, dating apps turbocharge hypergamy. It is not a secret that the top 10% of men get a huge share of the likes received.

Edit:

Share of all likes received according to ChatGPT

Top 1% 16.4%

Top 5% 41.1%

Top 10% 58.0%

Top 50% 95.7%

Bottom 50% 4.3%

▲derektank 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Male hypergamy and polygyny has been practiced by many cultures historically. They had many problems, but low birth rates wasn’t among them. I don’t think dating apps are a sufficient causal explanation alone for low birth rates

▲password54321 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Back then you could have 10 wives and start a population of people named Khan.

▲jrflowers 2 hours ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_City%2C_Arizona

▲3848488558 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The second factor is access to birth control, most women just dont want to have children unless in very specific circumstances

Historically they were compelled

▲password54321 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This explains the drop from 50s not the 2000s.

▲voxelghost 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

perhaps religious and moral pressure not to excersize the choice available has decreased between 50s and 2000s