| ▲ | Aurornis 6 hours ago |
| Some common sense goes a long way. If the job listing is from a company with 10,000 people, you can assume that they're always hiring. Submit away. If the listing is generic like "senior software engineer" and all of the requirements are generic like being able to program or do teamwork, it's probably a generic listing. Applying anyway is a safe bet, but I wouldn't invest as much energy into tailoring your resume if it's a 6 month old posting from a 50 person company with a website that looks like it's from 2009. That company probably forgot to take the listing down. > maybe you should say outright you're looking for 10 people This wouldn't help because you have no way of knowing if they've already hired 9 people or 1 person. The target can also change constantly. At a large enough company you continuously lose people for natural reasons, like retirement, moving for a spouse, moving to be closer to family. Past a tipping point you're just always hiring. |
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| ▲ | mort96 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > At a large enough company you continuously lose people for natural reasons, like retirement, moving for a spouse, moving to be closer to family. Past a tipping point you're just always hiring. As an analogy it's kinda like hard drives: when one of my hard drives dies, it's An Event which I need to deal with specifically; I need to order a replacement for that specific drive. At Google's server farms, hard drives dying is just a statistic, you continuously buy hard drives just because you know existing drives are gonna die at some semi-predictable rate. |
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| ▲ | Sharlin 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Or a more morbid analogy: military casualties in a war. | | |
| ▲ | evilduck 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not really an analogy, it's just facts of life. In a large enough company or over a long enough time period at a job or in your career, realistically people actually will eventually die and cause vacancies. I've had two coworkers die, one because of illness, the other because of an auto accident. I stopped using the "bus factor of one" phrase as a result even and use "redundancy or succession planning" since it's not outside the realm of possibility that someone might get hit by a vehicle. | | |
| ▲ | Sharlin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sure, but in one many more people leave the workforce by being killed and maimed than in the other. | |
| ▲ | gchamonlive 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Lottery factor" works, though it's more of a mouthful | | |
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| ▲ | vkou 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | More morbidly, military casualties in what the military insists isn't war. | | |
| ▲ | HeyLaughingBoy 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Even in peacetime, training accidents kill an expected number of military personnel each year. | | |
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| ▲ | alightsoul 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No this is not common sense. No company in LATAM has 10000 people. Large companies just aren't a thing here. Most companies here are the 50 people companies you mention so the normal thing is to hire occasionally. And LATAM never had an industrial revolution so software positions are just rare unless the company is larger than the local average. If you do find one, it's not a pure one or is service oriented, not to build a product. What I mean is, building a technological product is rare let alone as a product company in LATAM and most technical positions are service or outsourcing oriented. If you find a technical product role like being a mobile developer, it's often not at a company that offers a technological product but a service in another industry like a bank |
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| ▲ | mort96 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You don't think MercadoLibre has job postings open all the time just to replace the people who are leaving? They're around 120 000 people, is each of those people hand-picked for a particular position and not just hired because they know they need to replace some percentage of workers who'll leave? | |
| ▲ | alt227 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I googled and literally the first result was LATAM Airlines who have 44,000 employees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LATAM_Airlines | | |
| ▲ | mamcx 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think he means "software companies". Large companies exist, but pure software companies or with heavy side of it? | |
| ▲ | alightsoul 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Airlines and state owned companies seem to be the exception | | |
| ▲ | alt227 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | ok, that statement seems a bit different than your previous one of "No company in LATAM has 10000 people." | | |
| ▲ | rsynnott 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Except for the companies who have 10000 people, no companies in LATAM have 10000 people. | | |
| ▲ | bonesss 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think we can all agree No True LATAM company would have 10,000 employees. | |
| ▲ | alt227 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Love the logic, have an upvote. | |
| ▲ | zormino 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So América Móvil doesn't have nearly 200k? There are plenty of LATAM companies with more than 10k people. |
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| ▲ | xtracto an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Lol Bimbo Femsa Grupo Salinas There's plenty more: https://es.tradingeconomics.com/bimboa:mm:employees | |
| ▲ | shagie 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_Brazilian_comp... While the 9th largest is 7,777 people reported... all the others are at least 40,000 people and the largest two are over 100,000. Itaú Unibanco https://www.itau.com.br/download-file/v2/d/42787847-4cf6-446... shows 80,657 employees in Brazil in Q2 of 2026. And for tech jobs... https://carreiras.itau.com.br/busca-de-vagas/software/35299/... Is it a big list? No. Is it a bank? Yep... but then Capital One is a large employer of tech in the US. Estimates put Walmart (certainly not a "tech" company) at having 20,000 technical roles. Discriminating between technology product and technology role at a "regular" industry or service seems a bit biased. I (software developer) haven't worked at a tech company for the past two decades (and frankly, while wages are lower than the tech company jobs my job stability is much higher). | |
| ▲ | benjojo12 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Petrobras? |
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| ▲ | tempest_ 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Often you pay to have that posting. For a smaller company they def know that posting is still up. Likely they are just getting poor applications (or need to improve their posting because the right people are not seeing it) In the age of LLMs every one is "tailoring" their resume to every posting. |
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| ▲ | mort96 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | This depends a ton on if we're talking about a company's own website's job listings or if it's on some dedicated job listing site. | | |
| ▲ | CharlieDigital 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Company's own website job listings are likely actually in an applicant tracking system (ATS) like Greenhouse or Ashby because they need to manage the pipeline, not just list the job. |
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| ▲ | oejxiwjxjwjd 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > you can assume that they're always hiring. You can, but you’re probably wrong and are wasting your time and effort going through lord knows how many hoops to submit a simple CV. Were submissions as simple as “here’s my CV, contact me if you like what you see”, then this wouldn’t be a problem. But when you have to sign up to the millionth HR service with the same 50 “please input the info that’s already on the resume you’re submitting” steps over and over again just to never hear back from the company or get rejected 6 months later, “submit away” is not an acceptable answer. > This wouldn't help because you have no way of knowing if they've already hired 9 people or 1 person. Yes, it would. Even if only 1 of the 10 spots is available, it still is a valid listing. Not knowing if the listing is valid at all is way worse. Asking for “common sense” only works if the situation you are in makes sense to begin with. Job listings are a cesspit of bad behaviour, dark patterns, disrespectful processes and incongruous offers. What we need is some sort of regulation on how job listings are posted and how candidates can and should apply. While we’re at it, it should be utterly ILLEGAL and absolutely liable to have a job listing up with no salary range or a salary range that’s too wide to give a sense of what compensation looks like—lying about it should trigger serious legal consequences as well. It’s about time candidates were treated with some dignity. |
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| ▲ | bee_rider 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It is required to post a salary range in some states. Sometimes they are quite wide, but realistically in the posting I see the posters seem to be taking the rule in good faith. Signing up for another page is a bit annoying (especially for places that are all using the same platform, like Workday—I understand these are probably self-hosted or kept disconnected on purpose, but still it could be nice if there was a separate global space for applicants, then we could just be imported in). To some extent it would be nice if it was harder to apply. Like I used to be happy to see a cover letter required, as that’d filter out some of the competition. Now people can just AI generate their cover letters I guess, so I mostly avoid postings that require them unless I’m really excited. (I think LLMs mostly review the applicants these days as well, and I’m pretty sure LLMs prefer LLM-speak, so it’s a losing proposition). | |
| ▲ | alt227 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This kind of attitude is why some people cant find jobs. Meanwhile the ones who just emailed their cv and didnt overthink it are happily working. | | |
| ▲ | oejxiwjxjwjd 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What kind of attitude? Wanting employers to respect my goddamned time? Wanting to know how much employers are willing to pay for my services? Yeah. I want a job listing to actively tell me how much I stand to gain in exchange for my time and skills. How absolutely entitled of me. Imagine that? A potential employee wanting to know upfront how much their time is worth in the eyes of a potential employer? Nonsense! You get what you get and you don’t get upset. If that’s your line of reasoning then I can only assume you’re exactly the type of employer that indulges in such practices. | | | |
| ▲ | Avicebron 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is not helpful and untrue, if you've tried to apply for jobs within the laat ~6+ years you will know it's screaming into the void. New accounts for the N+ glassdoor/indeed/bamboo/handshake/yougettheidea clones. Poorly pulling information from an uploaded resume, requiring manually editing or adding the info _every_ time. If your dilligent/dumb you writing a cover letter for each one (no AI the signal is too bad), then you submit it and wait an arbitrary amount of time for the rejection. There is a good reason people are complaining, it's asinine to put this on jpb seekers. | | |
| ▲ | yuye 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >then you submit it and wait an arbitrary amount of time for the rejection You get rejections? When I was jobhunting, half of the companies I applied to never replied to me. | |
| ▲ | alt227 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > if you've tried to apply for jobs within the laat ~6+ years you will know it's screaming into the void I have applied for, and got, 3 jobs in the last 8 years. So yeah I think I am allowed an opinion on it without people telling me Im wrong. | | |
| ▲ | oejxiwjxjwjd 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Two things can be true. I’ve applied to a few jobs in the last few years and got a few of them as well. Does not mean that the hoops I had to jump through were any less demeaning, disrespectful or downright stupid. | | |
| ▲ | pacija 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It is even weirder in my case. I am not applying for any jobs, recruiters reach out to me. After exchanging plesantries with HR ladies at video calls they ask me what are my salary expectations. I explain them there are two options. For full time employment I expect them to give me their best offer for me to consider. For consulting I expect them to give me exact goals so I can give them exact quote.
I mostly never hear back from them, in rare cases they say their technical colleagues reviewed my resume and decided I am not appropriate candidate.
I suspect most of them are just mining data about salary expectations. | |
| ▲ | legitster 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If OP is a hiring manager, they're on the other side of the job market right now. It can be true that managers have no problems getting jobs and the rest of us do. |
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| ▲ | ghostly_s 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Three jobs in 8 years? Seems like a red flag, we want to hire someone who will stick around.[1] 1. (Actual feedback I got in an interview two weeks ago, for a position no sane person would want to stay in for longer than two years.) | |
| ▲ | platevoltage 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nobody is allowed to do anything without someone telling them they're wrong. |
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| ▲ | tayo42 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Greenhouse saves your info and auto fills it. Companied that use Ashby are pretty much upload your resume. Only workday sucks or other random small ones that show up. | | |
| ▲ | ghostly_s an hour ago | parent [-] | | Workday is the only one of these I’ve heard of or encountered in the US. | | |
| ▲ | tayo42 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Probably because workday sucks so much that you notice it. |
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| ▲ | johnnyanmac 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >the ones who just emailed their cv and didnt overthink it are happily working. Tell that to the last 3 years of new grads. | |
| ▲ | Telaneo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't know a single person who's got a job by just emailing their CV. In fact, it reads as asinine as the idea that you can get a job by just showing up in person with a good handshake. | |
| ▲ | ghostly_s 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Just email your cv" is literally impossible at many employers today. the app process is absolutely far
more onerous for the applicant than it was a generation ago. For a bit of silver lining, I have noticed the "auto-populate from my resume" feature actually works reasonably well on some sites, which was not the case just a couple years ago when I was last looking. | |
| ▲ | LoganDark 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Two times I posted in the "Who wants to be hired?" HN thread in the past few years, I had a job within the month. Both times, I did not even have any resume or CV at all. But this year, I've been posting there for over 6 months and nothing. Not sure if attitude is such a big factor -- the job market kinda does what it does. You do make a mistake by not putting yourself out there though, because then there's basically no chance that an opportunity will come your way. One comment in an HN thread could be your ticket, or you could be applying to thousands of listings for months and getting nothing but the occasional rejection (though of course, never nearly as many as you made applications). |
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| ▲ | johnnyanmac 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My common sense is that it varies per market. In an employer's market this bad you either need to be highly specialized or you need to get your submissions in early. First 24 hours matters a lot more than your actual skillset when job postings are regularly receiving 1000+ applicants. You know the hiring managers are going to stop after they find a few dozen qualified applicants. But in a good market, sure. You can throw your hat into a random general application and you still might get a call back. Old postings are worth a shot. Any connection with an internal recruiter at least guarantees you start the process. |
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| ▲ | locknitpicker 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Some common sense goes a long way. If the job listing is from a company with 10,000 people, you can assume that they're always hiring. Submit away. Common sense would dictate that a company with 10,000 people has a need for a diverse set of roles, and it would be completely stupid to recycle the same template pretending the role was always the same. In fact, repeating a stale advert suggests the company does in fact not have positions opened and either forgot to pull an old advert or some recruiter is trawling for applications to pretend to be productive. |
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| ▲ | Sharlin 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don’t think common sense suggests that at all. It’s like saying that the US armed forces requires soldiers with many specialized skillsets (which is true) so clearly it should recruit to every individual role and post separately. A large company may have a handful of actually-very-special-role positions open for every hundred generic "our tech stack is this and isn’t going to change" developer roles. | | |
| ▲ | platevoltage 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Perhaps the armed forces are doing something right, and the tech industry is not. | | |
| ▲ | shagie 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | The armed forces have a service commitment of several years (if I read this correctly, US Army is 8 years). People will sometimes change jobs within months. They have the time to train someone into a role and typically don't have to worry about going to work for a competitor after they get out of AIT or A school. | | |
| ▲ | platevoltage 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | People used to spend their entire careers at a single company. Something changed, and it wasn't worker attitude. | | |
| ▲ | shagie 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | One of the biggest changes since then is that there are companies that a different scale of revenue per employee ( https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=%28google%2C+meta%29+re... ) and pay accordingly. While there's nothing wrong with those companies paying such, it drastically changes the incentives for the regular employee. Going to work in Big Tech can be like winning the lottery (in the dot com boom, I had about 6 million on paper... that I didn't sell before the crash). That there is drastically different industries with correspondingly different levels of compensation has incentivized the person who can change jobs to move from a $60k job to a $120k job to a $250k job to do so. In the 90s I was making $50k/year ($50k '95 -> $109k '26 https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm ). The companies where people used to work a decade or two or three are still there and in many cases, largely unchanged. |
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| ▲ | cindyllm 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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