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azan_ 14 hours ago

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sva_ 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

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nullorempty 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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fabian2k 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Russia invaded a sovereign country. Period.

Europe and everyone else is entirely justified under international law to provide assistance to Ukraine to defend itself.

Regarding your edit, Russia doesn't have the right to dictate neighbouring countries which alliances they can form. What you're doing here is denying Ukraine its sovereignty, just like Russia does.

nullorempty 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well then stop complaining and prepare for war as the article suggests.

I can not believe the europe would risk all its heritage and for what?

azan_ 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I can not believe the europe would risk all its heritage and for what?

Quite contrary - Europe is preserving it's heritage. Remember that russia does not want to stop with Ukraine - for example they want Poland to quit NATO. What right do they have to tell other sovereign country what it can do?

nullorempty 14 hours ago | parent [-]

>Remember that russia does not want to stop with Ukraine

???

azan_ 14 hours ago | parent [-]

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tomhow 9 hours ago | parent [-]

This is a completely unacceptable comment on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Lumich 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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tomhow 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Could you please make an effort to observe the guidelines if you want to participate here? These ones in particular need to be heeded:

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.

Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.

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seabrookmx 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The war they didn't start? Typically when there's a clear aggressor who initiates a conflict to grab land and resources, you blame them.

dofm 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you not essentially saying that Ukraine is partly to blame for the conflict for not wanting to roll over?

We arm and support Ukraine in their war because a tyrannical neighbour led by an autocrat is intent on taking its territory and he will not negotiate on ending it.

It's that fucking simple. Fuck him for starting it; if he won't end it, Ukraine and their allies get to make things difficult.

Your interpretation is contemptuous.

Buxato 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As we should do, Mr. Chamberlain.

azan_ 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Didn't russia attack Ukraine?

nullorempty 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What were the Minsk agreements for?

azan_ 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Good point - we must remember that russia attacked Ukraine already in 2014, Ukraine agreed to their conditions and it still did not prevent russia from wanting more. History repeats itself - appeasement never works.

nullorempty 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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azan_ 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, in this case one side (russia) attacked other (Ukraine), which is just defending itself. It's very clear who is the aggressor here. This entire conflict could be prevented if russia did not attack, that's it.

nullorempty 14 hours ago | parent [-]

I see, you can only count to two.

dofm 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How do you say that in Russian?

I'm sure you think this is smart, but the indisputable fact of how this conflict started remains.

Are you suggesting that we don't come to the aid of our friends when they are attacked by our adversaries? That Ukraine does not have the right to support? That it must succeed or fail on its own or it's somehow not sporting?

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azan_ 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ok let's work from the basics. Please answer this question - is russia the aggressor in this war?

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tomhow 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Too many of your recent comments have been inflammatory. Could you please be less combative and more curiously conversational in your style of participation here? These guidelines in particular are important to heed:

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Jtsummers 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> launching a 20 year bombing and terror campaign against the Donbass

> Finally, after eight year of these terror attacks

Was it 20 years or 8 years? Those are two very different numbers, and only one has any semblance with reality given that 20 years ago was long before the so-called coup.

dofm 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wow. All of that, in one go? From out of just one arse?

azan_ 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is it satire or something that russians actually believe?

nullorempty 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, the USA too.

gradus_ad 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The simple truth many have come to realize is a European leadership that insists mass migration is not a problem and head-in-the-sand denies the critical importance of cultural unity and shared identity for the maintenance of stable and liberal democracies is a much clearer and present danger than Russia.

War a nation can recover from, but from an erosion of cultural unity and shared identity it cannot.

ves 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Remind us what happened last time Europeans got too obsessed with cultural unity and shared identity?

gradus_ad 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you saying the only conceivable policy positions are genocide and unchecked migration?

ves 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I like that you said genocide and not me. But what I like more is enjoying the long slide into irrelevancy of opinions like the one you expressed in your original comment. I look forward to the day we can have constructive discussions about capital investment and migration which feature no mention of such puerile and ignorant notions of ethnicity and nationalism.

gradus_ad 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Irrelevancy? The opinions I expressed are ascendent and accelerating across the Western world.

Constructive, reasoned discussions on migration are precisely what have not occurred due to the dominant ideology stifling all contrary opinion.

bryanlarsen 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

After all Canada, Australia and New Zealand are such hot-beds of crime and mayhem; we should avoid following their example as much as possible.

gradus_ad 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Their experiments in cultural erosion are merely a few decades old, and accelerating only recently.

You're basically pointing at a smoker who started a year ago and concluding because they don't have cancer yet cigarettes don't cause cancer.

bryanlarsen 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Those three have been letting in large numbers of people from outside the UK for at least 125 years, not a few decades.

bdangubic 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Cultural unity and shared identity is cause of many (many) wars…

Lumich 14 hours ago | parent [-]

They're not. Rather, the organizers of war – typically rich and powerful people in or close to London or Washington – use their propaganda networks to play these popular cards of culture and identity. Don't confuse the cause and the means.

bdangubic 13 hours ago | parent [-]

yea, you are right, I recall from my high school education when Hitler came to Washington and then London, fun times

holyxharvey 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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