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HanShotFirst 2 hours ago

I've noticed a very sudden uptick in these AI designed signs and menus in my area. I fully understand why they are used by small business owners (fast and cheap), and I think getting angry at or threatening a business owner for using them is a huge overreaction.

That said, my own aesthetic sense is very much turned off by them. It is hard for me to articulate why, but I can name four reasons:

- The food never actually looks good, real, or delicious;

- The information is presented in a haphazard way, with text randomly thrown all over the place;

- There is really only one kind of "style" of these signs that I've seen, and it's sad to think that this style (or lack thereof) may become ubiquitous;

- In a world where AI feels increasingly shoved down our throats, it is unnerving to so suddenly see its rise manifested in the physical world.

asdff 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It has this ick about it that makes me feel the owner lost mightily in a crypto pump and dump several times in life.

mjmsmith 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I imagine that some?/many? customers of a locally-owned coffee shop are choosing it precisely because it's not a soulless megacorp. They're choosing a different vibe on purpose. Ugly AI advertising is the opposite of that vibe.

XorNot 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The food is in the uncanny valley because no human was involved in assembling the output.

We've got millions of years of evolutionary wiring in our heads to try and figure out if something can be eaten - take that out of the process and you can screw up in a bunch of ways which raise alarm bells.

sdenton4 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

Ancient cave dwellers wandering the steppes, carefully distinguishing potable lattes from poisonous varieties of herbal tea.

sippingabonedry an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I have some bad news for you:

• The pictures on cereal boxes aren't entirely real, either. They use school glue, not milk.

• Your burger has never looked like the one on the menu (see Falling Down)

• I've never eaten at a Chinese takeaway where the food looked like the light-up menu board, either.

How has AI art made your food meaningfully less delicious?

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> How has AI art made your food meaningfully less delicious?

If a menu has pictures, I expect the food to look like the picture. That said, this is really only a problem for the store in respect of returns. If nobody is returning the product because it didn't look as advertised, there probably isn't any harm being done.

sippingabonedry an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> If a menu has pictures, I expect the food to look like the picture.

Has food ever looked like the picture, though? I find this position unrealistic outside of an Amazon return excuse.

onion2k 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'd expect the picture to be an idealized, perfected version of the food. That's how marketing works. But somewhere in there should be the actual food even if it's cold, sprayed with glycerin, and under studio lighting.

An AI image isn't anything to do with the actual dish. That's too far removed from the reality to be considered fair.

phoghed 27 minutes ago | parent [-]

Motor oil on a perfect pancake from a batch of 10 that they put 100x more effort into for the photo?

Sign me up, I love it.

AI image of a pancake because the small business owner doesn’t have a Kellog’s budget?

Fuck that guy, I hope his business fails

jackb4040 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

The point is that it was the same business making the image and the actual food. Now basically every business will have the same abomination of a cheeseburger on their menu because they all prompted the same thing, and as a result customers lose that signal.

So defensively we have to assume the worst, but when we actually do that (or god forbid talk to other people about it) online weirdos like yourself start jumping in front of the bullet.

jklinger410 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Has food ever looked like the picture, though? I find this position unrealistic outside of an Amazon return excuse.

Yeah man it's unrealistic for restaurants to take pictures of the food they make and use that for the menu. Totally.

plorkyeran 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes? My main experience with menus with pictures is Chinese restaurants where they took a poorly staged and lit photo of the actual dish. Sometimes the real thing ends up looking better than the picture.

JumpCrisscross 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> has food ever looked like the picture, though?

Yeah. Especially at Asian restaurants. (With predominantly Asian customers.)

If a menu has like clearly painted or drawn images, on the other hand, I weigh them on artistic merit versus anything descriptive.

thenewnewguy an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This isn't black and white, it's a sliding scale. Advertising, menu boards, box art, etc. do show the product in the best light possible and take artistic liberties, but are substantially closer to the real product than an AI that's never seen the product spitting out an image of a burger.

It's reasonable to be annoyed when the menu board _isn't based on the product at all_ and thus is nowhere close to the real thing.

jackb4040 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

If I got served food at a restaurant and realized that the pictures were from a different restaurant, I would be pissed off in exactly the same way and amount as if a menu used AI slop. The only difference is that with AI slop you can tell ahead of time and decide not to spend money there.

data-ottawa an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

When most people have a bad experience at a restaurant they never go back, so the harm is hard to quantify until it stacks up.

threetonesun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't eat cereal and I can't think of the last time I ate at a restaurant that had pictures on the menu, but to your point I think there's still quite a huge gap between optimized and perfected version of thing that exists versus thing that entirely does not exist.

janalsncm 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> I think there's still quite a huge gap between optimized and perfected version of thing that exists versus thing that entirely does not exist

Neither the images created by ChatGPT nor an artists rendition of a latte exist, but based on this logic you’d have a problem with both?

I think most people are just reacting to the careless default style of ChatGPT, or the fact that a human didn’t draw it, not the fact that it’s not “real”.

phoghed an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> I don’t eat cereal

Wow, you really got him with this completely relevant fact that did not at all miss the point.

janalsncm 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I agree that it wasn’t a strong response, but 1) we can still be nice and 2) if you read the rest of their comment they do have substantive things to say.

F3nd0 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think it’s relevant in that they lack the personal experience, and so can’t comment on the given points from experience, as they might be expected to.

pizzathyme 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not that it's fake. It's that it has a distinct style.

I once thought that AI image/video would quickly become unidentifiable, but the surprising thing (so far) is that every new model release is followed by two reactions: "This is incredible" to "I recognize this style. It's AI. They're all the same."

It takes only a few weeks. I've been amazed with our mind's ability to move the goalpost.

xboxnolifes 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI art has made the experience meaningfully less enjoyable.

jackb4040 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

99% of AI slop posters aren't an artistic depiction / deviation from the real product, they are a grotesque amalgamation of whatever generic images of food are in the training data. If they weren't, it would take more effort than just hiring a freelancer and defeat the purpose for these greedy business owners.

the_gastropod 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the U.S., at least, this is not really true. The FTC has laws that prohibits companies from using non-food products (e.g., glue for milk or motor oil for syrup) in photographs of food they’re selling. They also have laws about deceptive marketing practices. These laws definitely aren’t perfectly enforced, but it’s hardly the widespread problem you’re suggesting it is. Also pretty funny to specifically highlight Chinese food, which has always looked like someone used a disposable camera to hastily snap a photo of a real plate of food about to be given to a customer sometime in 1997 in ~90% of the Chinese restaurants I’ve ever been to.

AI obviously has 0 realness to it. So it’s worse in every way.

phoghed 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

In this cases isn’t it that they can use the glue for milk though because they aren’t selling the milk, it’s the cereal (enlarged for texture) that they are selling.

the_gastropod 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes that is true. But, e.g., a restaurant that sells you a bowl of cereal would not be allowed to do this.

HanShotFirst an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Indeed you are correct about this! What I think is different in these cases is that the images of the food in your examples (generally) aim to make it look good, whereas the AI art makes it looks like slop (literally and figuratively).

I also prefer the side case of actual photos of the food, which is common at delis and some more authentic Chinese restaurants; these are also being replaced quickly by AI.

Has AI art made my food less delicious - I don't think I've ever purchased food I've seen first represented by AI, but certainly the expectation of taste affects your perception of it...

fennecbutt 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah, you've been downvoted by the holier than thou "nyeeeh!" crowd.

You are correct though, especially fast food places using air brushed and photoshopped food photos are the inedible food object has been carefully set up.

And no amount of petty votes will change the above.

cindyllm 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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