Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5.

https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744

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seki285 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nothing misleading about the title and you are splitting hairs.

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arnaudsm 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Omitting half of the story is misleading, this isn't a pro/anti LLM story.

Vibecoding has been the norm for months, it's the embargo violation today that triggered his resignation.

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lokar 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The headline accurately summarizes the main point of the story, and the part that is emphasized is from the subject of the story.

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VCFundedGenYer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Vibecoding has been the norm for months

That's your editorialization.

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lovich 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> …been the norm for months…

You know, it’s petty, but I think one of the things I hate the most about AI is that it surpassed front end JavaScript frameworks in terms of changing what the standard is every few years.

What’s the point of learning anything if it becomes obsolete faster than the seasons change?

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arnaudsm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's the fear of being left behind that fuels both these things.

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croes 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Left behind what?

If AI works as promised coming late to the game is an advantage.

How many tricks for prompts are already obsolete, how many tools, harnesses etc. are already replaced by better alternatives?

It’s the difference between knowing a foreign language and only using a translator.

The former changes you brain structure and your way of thinking, the latter don’t.

	▲	lovich 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yea. I've evaluated these AI development patterns 3-4 times over the past year while applying for jobs. I've been told by currently employed engineers that I was at state of the art development after a week of using them each time. This also seems to have played out in hiring as every interview I've managed to pull has been completely schizophrenic with the interviewers wanting me to show AI fluency(for whatever that means) and then seemingly panicking mid way through as I start using the AI that can immediately solve the bog standard interview questions and then switch to having me manually build things.

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analognoise 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are a massive number of people who want the ends of programming and geekery but lacked the means. They are overjoyed that they can abrogate the means and enjoy the reflected light of achievement, especially if it cheapens the part they feel inferior about: namely, actually understanding and learning about the systems.

As such, to them, it’s a BENEFIT if the systems change at a rate no mortal would ever agree to. Why learn anything, after all?

	▲	sublinear an hour ago \| parent [-]
		To be fair, technology has never been able to completely replace humans at anything unless the job was explicitly designed (factory/assembly) rather than organically discovered. Writing software is one of those organic roles because it touches so many parts of a business. If you ask 100 devs to explain what they do, you'll get at least 100 distinct answers. For the "organic" roles we have attempted to replace, we just keep lowering our standards. Doctors and lawyers are a good example of that. Obviously, the doctors and lawyers aren't going anywhere. What is bound to occur to dev work is the opposite of what the doomers say. We will probably go back to the jack-of-all-trades type of dev. All the specialists/contractors and their certifications become worthless again. If the expected skillset becomes broader, that only further resists automation.

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sublinear 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just so you know, the frontend framework wars started and ended pretty quickly in the latter half of the 2010s.

It was the downstream effect of the browser wars settling down and W3C making big moves on getting vendors to finally implement standards that were sorely needed. It had nothing to do with web dev culture.

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theamk an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I dunno, here is an entrant from 2025: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45071024

(not a JS dev myself, but I read HN so I see those posts every once in a while..)

	▲	sublinear 3 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The most urgent needs in frontend web dev were components and state management. Vue and React won out, and I still don't see that changing for the foreseeable future on the vast majority of corporate web apps. The remaining split is just coke vs pepsi. Basically, a meaningless distinction and stable. I don't doubt there will always be new tools, but a lot of HN doesn't see the forest for the trees when it comes to web. So many people chime in ignorantly just to be bullies and spread FUD and self-promote. I think that strategy not going to work again for a while. Everyone is very burned out on that overplayed game in all aspects of life, not just web dev.

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gamessucknow 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Just so you know, the frontend framework wars started and ended pretty quickly in the latter half of the 2010s.

Funny thing on HN. I saw people actively complaining about “JavaScript framework of the week” posts well into the early 2020s… when they were no longer really a thing.

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lovich 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> It had nothing to do with web dev culture.

It may not have been started because of web dev culture, but it definitely influenced web dev culture.

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sublinear 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you a web developer?

	▲	lovich 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I was before the market crunched. What's the reason for the credential check?

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Daishiman 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To be fair the JS frontend communities brought this to themselves way before LLM slop.

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croes 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just because something is the norm, which I doubt, doesn’t mean it’s good.

Eventually comes the straw that brakes the camel‘s back

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lambda 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For those without X accounts (now that Nitter an XCancel are down): https://archive.ph/GQLvx

	▲	DavCreator 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		xxcancel.com is up and working.

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rkagerer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I found it a bit hard to understand this discussion because I wasn't familiar with the background. If I've got this right, his project let you run Linux on a PlayStation 5 (thus also providing the ability to run modern games).

Slop kiddies using AI discovered the PS5 hypervisor exploit it relied on for installation. Initially they agreed to his request to delay reporting it to Sony until after GTA6 came out (so users could at least install and enjoy that highly anticipated game). But then they turned around and disclosed it anyway (the same or next day?).

They presumably gained a nominal bounty, but nuked the project he'd poured so much hard work into. Including support for the PS5 Pro he was preparing to release next year.

The community used to be a group of talented researchers, but he's frustrated it's diluted into participants who aren't aligned with his values and don't even understand the hacks they produce.

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kotaKat 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All Sony had to do was give us a path forward to run our own code on the PS5.

But I guess Sony being a gatekeeper wasn't a gatekeeper enough for certain regulatory agencies.

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softwaredoug 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The scene used to be a group of highly talented researchers, but now it is just a bunch of noobs using LLMs and writing hacks they don't even understand. Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony.

I don’t know if he’s mad AI scooped a bug? Or that LLM slop kiddies don’t pay attention to that something is already known?

	▲	ChrisRR 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Reading all of the quotes it seems he's more annoyed that they disclosed the bug to Sony to collect the bounty, and that they're using AI as an afterthought

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sva_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds like he is salty that somebody found an exploit using LLM that he found manually (which probably took a significant amount of time.) I can partly understand it, but I mean that's also just the game that somebody else might find an exploit, LLMs just make it easier. LLMs finding bugs is not a bad thing, just sucks for enjoyers of open source software in this particular case.

You can probably find more though.

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gbil 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enjoy linux. They agreed to wait, but not a day passed and they decided to waste it instead.

This guy has used on working with people that understand the scene, it seems that they were in contact, they agreed on something and then the next day they did something different.

This is really important in the context of what happened and probably the cherry on top of the current "hacking" cake, with the bar being lowered so much that anybody can jump in with some minor skill and luck and get something just for themselves.

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deletedie 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Rather, he's annoyed because the LLM User submitted the exploit to Sony (to get paid) and killed the only known viable path forward for development.

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Qiu_Zhanxuan 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

yeah, and tbh he should be, one douche ruined it for the rest of us

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Den_VR 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Any noticing what it paid?

	▲	xethos 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"Everyone else enjoying this got screwed, but how much did the one guy get paid do we think?" Having the money to pour into an LLM to find this tautologically means it won't have been a life-chaning amount of money, and does not engender support for the person that reported the exploit to Sony

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tetromino_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Sounds like he is salty that somebody found an exploit using LLM that he found manually

Nope. He is salty because someone made public the secret exploit that Linux-on-PS5 apparently relies upon to bypass Sony's hypervisor protection. Now Sony will fix the exploit, and there will be no more Linux on the PS5 until another exploit is found.

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sva_ 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Okay, I misunderstood. But it wasn't particularly secret if 'noobs' had access then?

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MSFT_Edging 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It sounds like he had already found it the old fashioned way, then the noobs sic'd the LLMs on it, found it, and he told them "hey chill, we knew about this, don't ruin it" and they ruined it.

To quote Dr Ian Malcolm:

"If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now [bangs on the table]"

	▲	voidnullvalue 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That quote logically implies that people should be paralyzed to act on any novel information. There is no such thing as a discovery that occurs in a vacuum without some prior art. "Standing on the shoulders of giants" Then again, its a silly illogical movie

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bothers 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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	▲	sva_ 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The vagueposting is off the charts. Whats the point of posting shallow dismissals? If two people independently from you find the same exploit using LLMs, it was clear that it'd leak at some point.

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wuhhh 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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Shorel 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No guarantee at all that a new exploit will be found, and even much lower probability that a suitable lead developer will be found. The slop kiddy was just an asshole TBH.

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lightedman 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Sounds like he is salty that somebody found an exploit using LLM that he found manually"

No, he's salty that this last remaining hypervisor exploit is going to get patched, causing his PS5 Linux project to get wholly-fucked as now there will be no (currently-known) way to sideload the OS. Reading comprehension is very important here.

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DaSHacka 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think you've hit the nail on the head. I've seen this behavior from others in the space before too, it's not a one-off. They refuse to use LLMs themselves, and state as much publicly "I simply don't need to resort to using the slop machine, my skills are superior", yet FUME when others they deem as "lesser" are able to use it to achieve the same results as them, oftentimes faster.

I can guarantee this post would not have been made had he not been the one to find that vuln first.

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bothers 4 hours ago | parent [-]

In this case, the "same result" was killing the project for money. But yeah, lol he mad, xd, etc. What a quality contribution.

	▲	DaSHacka 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That's not the fault of the model, though. Even knowledgeable people that found everything manually can (ir)responsibly disclose it to the vendor for a payout. Just look at the iOS jailbreaking scene and how Apple repeatedly poached all the devs until there was no one left, killing it off well before LLMs.

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VCFundedGenYer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you even click the link? That's not true at all. The title matches the tin.

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croes 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This sounds like LLM noobs ruined the chance of legally playing GTA6 and habe Linux support and he seems pretty frustrated about it

> I am stepping away from the ps5 scene and stopping all my work on ps5 linux. After pouring my heart and months of my life into it, including plans to finish ps5 pro support and release in 2027, it's all down the sink.

> I asked them to at least wait for GTA 6 to come out so that people would have the opportunity to legally purchase the game and also enjoy linux. They agreed to wait, but not a day passed and they decided to waste it instead.

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KirkDiamond 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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_zoltan_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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viktorcode 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't find that offensive at all. People do not understand the code they make AI to generate, but that doesn't stop them from submitting. This is a real problem that has hit many open source projects, and I expect more and more of them will introduce barriers to submission.

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mrbonner 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s not only for coding. If my coworker send me a lengthy doc that obviously 100% written by AI without even reviewed/revised by them, I wouldn’t read because it is a waste of my time and an insult to me.

	▲	Jtsummers 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		We removed a guy from a project for doing something like that. North of 100 pages, and mostly wrong. What wasn't wrong was so generic it was useless. I don't know what he's working on now, but at least it's not our stuff.

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noir_lord 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

LLM use has been polarised like everything else seemingly is.

I have no issue with people using them to do things they could already do themselves as an efficiency thing and if they check and understand the result.

Unfortunately that seems to be the exception not the rule and the amount of "one shot slop" has increased dramatically, it's even affecting the modding communities for games.

This is gonna be a mess that is going to take time to figure out and then even more time to clean up.

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gblargg 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You ignored the part about "writing hacks they don't even understand." LLM is fine if you use it as one of many tools to form your work and not a substitute for yourself.

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bigfishrunning 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I find this very offensive.

You shouldn't, unless you're producing a bunch of code you don't understand.

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lioeters 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They are identifying with this new powerful technology, because it makes them feel as if they're powerful also.

Like how drivers of monster trucks get a rush from feeling like the power of the machine is their own. Some users of LLMs exhibit the same kind of arrogance of being on the side of a powerful force, like the law enforcement or military. I imagine some gun owners get that rush too. When you take away the gun or the truck, suddenly they feel vulnerable.

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_zoltan_ 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

you might be OK with calling everybody using LLMs a bunch of noobs. I disagree. this has nothing to do with my own usage.

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		> everybody using LLMs a bunch of noobs That wasn't even the claim...
	▲	bigfishrunning 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I don't think he was calling everybody that is using LLMs a bunch of noobs. I think he was calling the people using LLMs to submit code they don't understand a bunch of noobs. I think if the patches were well reasoned and could be talked about in detail by their submitters, he'd have much less of a complaint.

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