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iOS 27, iPadOS 27, and macOS 27(apple.com)
101 points by throw0101d 39 minutes ago | 78 comments
Someone1234 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I've been using it for several months since the developer beta came out; overall I'm extremely positive on it. One of their better releases that seemingly focused more on quality and refinements than new-features.

Siri is definitely worth using now, even if it remains still a work-in-progress/needs continued refinement. It can surprise you in good ways, but it isn't consistently good yet.

The keyboard remains unfixed, as is tradition. The same issues they've "fixed" like three or four releases now, seemingly are identically broken, and I'm lost faith they CAN fix it.

The iOS Keyboard and Search on Windows, are like the perpetually broken things that both companies have "fixed" every year for the last ten+ years and yet... It is almost farcical as this point.

swinglock 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

How is the keyboard broken? Maybe I'm so used to whatever it is that I'm blind to it.

sippeangelo a few seconds ago | parent | next [-]

They have some nasty "dynamic tap zones" algorithm that dynamically resizes the hitbox for keys based on what it predicts you will type in order to reduce miss-taps. Anecdotally, it has just steadily been getting worse with every update. I swear I can be pressing the center of a key and it will select the next one over and immediately autocorrect to a completely different word than what I typed.

I had the pleasure of typing something on an Android the other day and it was such a breath of fresh air when it actually accepted the keys I was pressing...

shreddit 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Each time you type the wrong letter there’s a big chance you didn’t miss but the keyboard typed the wrong key anyway.

Agingcoder 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Try an android keyboard and go back to an iphone. Having switched back and forth between both systems it’s quite remarkable how bad the iphone keyboard is. In practice , typing on an iphone means constant typos, bad autofix, and bad suggestions.

devindotcom 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I personally use the swiping keyboard on ios and it seems to detect the wrong word with an almost malicious frequency. It also randomly Capitalizes things.

schainks 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1. Auto-correct inserts the wrong words into my sentences despite correct spelling and grammar. Think, "what a ducking joke". This has suddenly gotten better recently when it comes to typos, though.

2. The keyboard's AI will also helpfully misinterpret key presses and sub the wrong letter, which doesn't get corrected. For example, common acronyms get corrected to other acronyms I _never_ use. FFS turns into FFA regularly.

__patchbit__ 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

macOS has the prior keycombo for 'home' and 'end' occupied for other uses.

   command + up/down arrow
I don't know how to read to the bottom of a webpage and jump immediately to the top of page.

Plus, the global key at bottom left fails for keyboard shortcut input when defining new binding for managing windowing rearrangement.

gabagool 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Your specific usecase has a native solve. Tap the status bar on any scrollable content view to scroll immediately to the top of the page. This has been around since, I believe, iPhone OS 1.

visarga 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

(adjacent to keyboard) It has no way to select all text. That makes the whole platform a toy.

neutronicus 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's unclear to me if they're alleging that it's recently broken. I switched to iPhone at my wife's insistence 3-4 years ago and I have pined for Swype the entire time. It's so bad and I was spoiled by Android.

mathisfun123 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

try using swipe-type on an android and you'll see. the funny thing is it's been this way since the iphone 1 because iphone 1 didn't have swipe-type while very early android did (via "swype").

MarkSweep 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the iOS keyboard is broken in terms of auto correct suggestions, try resetting its dictionary. I found it was much improved after that.

nick_ 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I too feel the keyboard is broken but I haven't identified exactly what is broken about it.

eslaught 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's better about it in your usage?

DerDerDaIst 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

re keyboard: i don't get how the keyboard on the iphone can be so broken. meanwhile the small keyboard on the ipad works like a charm.

or am i the only one experiencing it like this?

ForceBru a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So, is it better (faster, stronger, etc) than iOS 18? Everyone says iOS 26 was not good at all and iOS 27 is much better, but it seems like it's fairly simple to make something that's better than iOS 26. A more interesting question is whether it's better than iOS 18? Does anyone have any experience switching from iOS 18 to, say, some beta of iOS 27?

Tepix 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Was just looking over the Safari 27 release notes¹, which is part of macOS 27, and noticed this:

Web Driver

New Features

- Allow your agent to connect to a Safari browser for development and debugging via the Safari MCP server. (176038457)

Related (From July 1st)

Introducing the Safari MCP server for web developers

https://webkit.org/blog/18136/introducing-the-safari-mcp-ser...

So that's interesting. On the other hand, looks like WebXR support for Safari will never come.

---

¹ https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release-not...

throw0101d 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At the bottom of the press release they have links to individual OS pages:

* iOS 27: https://www.apple.com/os/ios/

* iPadOS 27: https://www.apple.com/os/ipados/

* macOS: https://www.apple.com/os/macos/

* watchOS: https://www.apple.com/os/watchos/

* visionOS: https://www.apple.com/os/visionos/

* tvOS 27: no link.

* Overview: https://www.apple.com/os/?version=no-hero

phantomathkg a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder if Apple have fixed the issue where the user want the Siri to use a different language than the UI language.

GeekyBear 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm looking forward to trying out Safaris new ability to vibe code extensions that will modify websites to remove annoyances.

For developers, there is a new framework (Core AI), that updates the decade old Core ML framework.

> Core AI allows your app to use the latest model architectures and inference techniques across the CPU, GPU, and Neural Engine.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/coreai

dgellow 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Reminder to wait a couple of months before upgrading macOS! Every single time issues are found after a new macOS version, give it a little bit of time before jumping right away on your work machine :)

mjhagen 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I’ve been running it for a couple months, I’d say we’re pretty much out of danger.

gekoxyz 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't worry I am still on Sonoma :)

dewey 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In theory that makes sense, in practice I've never had any issues with updating on day one and it's often necessary if you want to develop for iOS / macOS anyway unless you have a dedicated developer machine.

baggy_trough 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You don't have to! I always update the day of. So far, no regrets!

rvz 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Good advice.

gekoxyz 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Usually I wait until december to install the new iOS on my phone, since most of the time I don't care about the upgrades. This time I installed iOS 27 beta on my phone since the public beta was out, and I had 0 new bugs compared to iOS 26, but it hasn't been the big relief that I hoped for.

Now I am worried about what the new versions of iOS will bring us, I hope that the "we removed the crap" wasn't just a thing of this year, and that iOS will go back to high software standards. Phone prices are really high for me now, and I would like for my poor little iphone 13 to survive another couple of years.

Cockbrand 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

So what's your experience in terms of speed and battery life with iOS 27 on the iPhone 13 so far? I have a 13 mini, and I still haven't gotten over the (perceived) shorter battery life with iOS 26.

petesergeant 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Upgrading the battery on my iPhone 12 Pro has been a fucking revelation. I just don't run out of battery any more. I'm sure Apple was telling me it was only 20% degraded or something too, but I would strongly, strongly recommend this if thinking about battery life is currently an issue for you.

wastedpotencial 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not updating from Sequoia until the Liquid Glass era is over.

suprfnk 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's really not that bad.

Cockbrand 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I agree, despite being quite the Liquid Glass hater at first. It has grown on me, and they have ironed out the worst kinks. I still don't love it, but it's great that we're getting a bit of three-dimensionality back, after all the ambiguity that comes with the flat design trend of the decade or so before Liquid Glass.

datadrivenangel 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

but it's bad enough to be worth not upgrading.

baggy_trough 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

The panic is overblown.

bigyabai 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

...relative to what, Windows 11?

jjice 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Updated a bit ago to give Siri AI a go for some basic stuff I've been wanting it to do with personal context. It had some false positives in there, but it's notably better now, pretty fast, and handled context well. It allows you to see where it got the context from, which is great considering that doesn't sound like a very Apple thing to do.

Agingcoder 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t want a new screen time experience , I just want it to work. Much to my surprise, it’s extraordinarily brittle, to such an extent that it’s virtually useless.

int32_64 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

26GB for an update is pretty steep considering their base macs are still on 256GB SSDs.

ksec 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People who are still on Chrome as main browser should seriously try Safari 27. Compatibility greatly improved, super speedy.

Although for some reason the AI organise tab option is not showing up on me.

dewey 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

I wish they would improve the extension support in Safari. I'm on Safari full time but I always dread the moment I have to install an extension. If the extension even exists (Firefox / Chrome is easy, so developers always do that and they don't have to pay Apple a fee) download some app, then click some button to open Safari settings, then enable the extension there, then give it permissions in the Safari menu bar. Horrible UX.

petesergeant 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Feels like the perfect thing to vibe-code based on existing FF/Chrome extensions? Decent agent should make pretty light work of it.

LUmBULtERA 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anyone else accidentally upgrade to 26.7 first?

xena 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

I did that too! The update servers are hammered as is tradition.

jsphweid 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice. Can't wait for all my binaries to suddenly stop building.

ecshafer 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can this AI integration now mean that Siri can finally just read the wikipedia page of a topic when I am driving? Or can I finally have Siri add a stop at Mcdonalds on google maps during a road trip?

ezfe 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

Adding a stop at McDonalds on Google Maps won't necessarily work unless Google provides the hooks to accomplish that.

But yes, it can give you information on a topic in a way the old Siri couldn't.

drbscl 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wish they allowed iCloud subscribers with older hardware to use cloud-only Siri AI.

I imagine they wouldn't shift as much hardware that way though.

standeven 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Same. Siri has been so bad for so long, and this announcement gave me a brief glimmer of hope that it would finally get better. However, every phone in my family is a 15 or older, and there is no support for our newer HomePod either. Boooooo Apple, booooo.

spankalee 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So if you don't want to use Apple's AI, this brings... faster app launching on iOS? I guess I'll use the Liquid Glass controls, but otherwise this is a dud.

dewey 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was surprised to see that macOS is 28GB. Is that all the local models that come with it?

minimaxir 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Safari does in fact feel snappier.

maaand 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did they remove the rounded corners mess?

stevenhubertron 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not entirely but its ALOT better then it was.

delillos 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are they still using Gemini? Curious to see how fast all these AI features will feel.

ezfe 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They've never used Gemini, and they are not using Gemini here. Gemini and Siri AI are both based on Google technology though.

jjice 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I believe it's a Gemini derived model that they are running on isolated hardware. So it's not the same servers as Gemini and thus will have potentially different performance.

cyberax 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can I have my square corners back, please? And while you're at it, add sorting by alphabet in the WiFi networks list. Maybe even a filter field (I know, too advanced, but hey...)

And perhaps make the "System Settings" window scalable horizontally?

No? OK, I'll skip.

hintymad 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Finally Apple has a screen time that allows different configurations for different time segments. What took them so long? /j

theplumber 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can the new AI browse the web?

lenerdenator 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I take it this is the one that tosses out Rosetta 2 on macOS?

andykellr 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The warning dialog I received the other day while running macOS 27 Beta said that it will be removed in macOS 28.

bayindirh 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Nope, that's macOS 28.

> Rosetta is available for any Mac with Apple silicon using macOS 27 or earlier. Starting with macOS 28, the next major macOS release, Rosetta functionality will be available only for certain older, unmaintained games that rely on Intel-based frameworks.

Sauce: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527

yieldcrv 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m adding representation to an issue that I hope is fixed:

for the last couple months I’ve been able to record videos and watch those videos but am unable to share them, whether on instagram, whatsapp, airdrop or imessage. some limited luck saving the same video to the file system and sharing from there

searching this issue is notoriously difficult, and there is one partially related thread on Apple support forums talking about spacial h264 and spacial h265 video codecs further complicated by being wrappers, with something suggesting the latter is the issue, the final post having a bewildered user asking for clarification that the iphone can create videos that even it cant use

I looked in my camera settings and there are soooo many switches and file formats now, that its impossible to know which edge case has been run into, and there’s no reset button to put the settings back to their most compatible

I hope this OS refresh fixed that

ezfe 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

> unable to share them

What does "unable" mean?

yieldcrv 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

on instagram, tapping the thumbnail has no user feedback and is never selected

on whatsapp, tapping the same video thumbnail results in a "preparing media" modal that never ends, until pressing cancel

on airdrop, a similar preparing model appears that never makes any progress and only has a cancel button

on imessage, tapping the same video thumbnail results in a circular progress bar overlay, as if it was downloading it from icloud, except it never finishes

unable

xlayn 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can we please have a 1 release focus on fixing bugs? not more ai but fixing bugs, 1 release where you can disable AI... 1 release to make it faster again, 1 release to polish... not to push the next "game changing UI design..."

the "upgrade to 18.4" took my iphone to 26.whatever and siri got even worst... siri set an alarm for 10:40 (creates one at 12:08)... NO, delete that one, 10 40 (does nothing)... hey siri... (ajum), delete the previous alarm... (done!) now set an alarm at 10:40 (alarm at 4pm....)... eventually you get tired... you go to the alarms app.. and then there is the previous "deleted" alarm and the other one...

awestroke 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

New Siri is not available in the EU. And no plans to change that.

I'll probably switch to Android once my phone and watch batteries degrade enough to annoy me

kstrauser 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

There's approximately zero chance Google would go along with the changes that Apple would have had to make to support EU's DMA.

moralestapia 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'll stay w/ Sequoia as long as I can.

dagi3d 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I definitely wanted to skip Tahoe by any means and was reluctant about this new version. I recently installed it because the wm I was using (omniwm) wasn't compatible with Tahoe anymore so I had to choose. I have to say it has been completely usable to me after reducing the liquid glass thing as much as the system allows.

gekoxyz 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I am currently on Sonoma and I was considering to upgrade to get the things that I missed in these years. I think and hope that macOS 27 will be faster wrt Sonoma...

prymitive 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Is it just me or is clicking “iOS 27” on iPhone showing upgrade screen for 26.7?

gregrobson 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Same here. Will upgrade and hopefully 27 will show up!

prymitive 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

If it does then do much for focus on quality in this release…

owlkeenii 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same here. It’s over 5 GB, therefore is not 26.7. Upgrading, let’s see.

jjtheblunt 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

same. and at the bottom it says "Also Available : iOS 27" with a button which leads right back to iOS 26.7.

bronco21016 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Having exact same experience as of 2:11p EDT.