| ▲ | manmal an hour ago |
| I work with Sol and Astra only in my daily work, and occasionally I check out Claude Code so I don't get completely out of touch. I can't stand the way Opus is patronizing me as a user, and don't know how people put up with it. It uses language that I guess is supposed to instill confidence in what it says, and it just irks me, because I know the confidence is not justified. Just present me the facts or theories, without trying to convince me, is that so hard? |
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| ▲ | beezlewax an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Claude's use of language is hideous at this point. It is verging on gibberish wrapped in important-sounding prose. |
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| ▲ | JohnMakin 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's definitely worse and getting worse. I'm curious, do they not know this is happening, or not care? I struggle to believe people prefer the way it writes, which is becoming drastically different than its competitors. | | |
| ▲ | paulhebert 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I wonder if they’re training heavily on Claude generated content or conversation transcripts | |
| ▲ | lukan 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Fable 5.1 was explicitely supposed to improve that, I used it only a bit so far and it seems at least better. | |
| ▲ | immibis2 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Maybe the humans are suffering from model collapse, and don't notice it. |
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| ▲ | TomGarden an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Agreed. The language consistently triggers visceral negative reactions from me at this point. | |
| ▲ | te_chris an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, definitely load bearing. | | |
| ▲ | trymas 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Today, I asked Opus what it’s gibberish actually means. It started with (topic about signing implementation): > This is your coat token, to my coat hanger in the opera. On one hand - maybe yes??! On the other who the hell speaks like that and it’s so specific… I’d expect Alice and Bob with locks or house keys. Is this infamous old book scanning (and destroying) affecting latest models? | | | |
| ▲ | nottorp 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | load-bearing! |
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| ▲ | esotericsean an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Opus is the worst at it. Fable 5 still does it a little. Fable 5.1 is much improved, at least. |
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| ▲ | paulddraper an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You have to use Fable or Opus 4.6 for tolerable language output. Using Opus 4.7-5 is harmful for your health. https://x.com/wolframs91/status/2090159644849353058?s=46 |
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| ▲ | ismailmaj 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | 5 for sure is unbearable, 4.8 is a reasonable sweet spot, 4.6 tends to just agree with whatever I say. But lately I haven't downgraded because 5 is so much better at tool use, so I just accept the cost of Fable for chatting and hope Opus 5.1 fixes this mess. |
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| ▲ | edoceo 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's bad enough I stopped paying. |
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| ▲ | emptyfile 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
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