| ▲ | opengrass 4 hours ago |
| Per the commits, this will require a purchase with Google Play Billing to mitigate spam while keeping the SMS verification option. |
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| ▲ | Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It says something about Play Billing being used specifically to mitigate spam? I understand using play payments initially but hopefully eventually there's a way to buy an account without going through google. |
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| ▲ | wolvoleo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ugh wtf so I need a Google account on Android? That's not going to happen. For an org that pretends to care about privacy you'd imagine there'd be a way to avoid, you know, the biggest privacy invader on the planet. Just allow monero payments or something. Alongside Google play for the sheep that want to use that. |
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| ▲ | HWR_14 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Are you being hyperbolic, or do you really consider Google the worst with regards to privacy. | | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The most ubiquitous, absolutely. Their data collection is unparalleled. They're on almost every website, app, they have fingers into payment and browsers and mobile OSes. In terms of what they do with big data there's more evil parties like Palantir but data abuse starts with collecting it, and I would object to it even if Google promised to only use it for good. For me my privacy is already violated when my data is collected, not just when it's abused. And I do consider Google's use of that data abusive, just not in the worst ways. |
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| ▲ | Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hopefully they eventually make a way to pay without it. | | |
| ▲ | genrader 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You wouldn't believe the spam if they did that | | |
| ▲ | Cider9986 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why? Just raise the prices if they get more spam on non-google payments. I've literally registered a Signal account on one of the free SMS sites floating around. Why would spammers choose the payment route over phone numbers? They would just choose the one that's cheaper. |
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| ▲ | thin_carapace 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | googles obligation to hand out all account linked info notwithstanding, one may still create google accounts without associating a phone number, by doing so on old android versions. signal does however explicitly force credit card info here, thus providing direct individual traceability .. | | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo an hour ago | parent [-] | | Plus they are mandating you give your details to Google. So much for privacy |
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| ▲ | mmooss 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What about their built-in cryptocurrency? It's a perfect use for it. They could require payment post-install yet before message can be sent. |
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| ▲ | wolvoleo an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | True, if they're not even going to allow that for payment then they might as well remove it from the app altogether. Because what's the point if they don't even believe in it themselves. | |
| ▲ | Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nobody uses that and I think it was pre-mined. They should have implemented Monero but the UX isn't there. Maybe a Monero light wallet server run by Signal. They probably avoided Monero to not attract the additional scrutiny. They don't even accept donations in Monero. | | |
| ▲ | wolvoleo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I always thought they didn't want monero because they were pushing their own crypto thingy. Which indeed nobody uses. | |
| ▲ | dakolli an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | They avoid Monero because Signal and the EFF are actually the feds and this is all theater. | | |
| ▲ | Cider9986 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Signal is not robust for metadata protection. Neither do they advertise anonymity. They take steps to protect metadata but it's nothing compared to SimpleX. If it's "the feds", then how? There's reproducible builds on all platforms except iOS so we know the source code is what's running on our devices. Can you point to the code where the E2EE is compromised? They are the largest messenger that has E2EE backups by default. | | |
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| ▲ | drum55 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've literally never seen anybody mention it, much less use it since it was announced. | | |
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