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▲ DeCloudflare(0xacab.org)
31 points by DeepLogin an hour ago | 39 comments
▲Hobadee 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Cloudflare is simply following the time-honored trajectory:

1. Good company starts, with good service and mission

2. Because company has good service and mission, company grows to control a majority of the market

3. Company realizes they can leverage their market for other means and sells their soul to the devil

4. People realize company is no longer good

5a. People leave company

-or-

5b. Company is now a monopoly and people can't leave

Sources: - Microsoft - Google - Others

▲upheaval7276 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ironic that an article presumably about avoiding use of cloudflare is apparently unable to handle spikes in traffic caused by posting it on a forum

▲Meneth 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

He's is running GitLab, a rather inefficient webserver.

▲SCUSKU 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would love if there was some content here besides vague posting about Cloudflare bad. Like why? There truly is no thesis to convince me right now.

Also love the irony of getting an HN hug of death w/o Cloudflare

▲amiga-workbench 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

I can't shake the feeling that since its dealing with a huge amount of network traffic and it also strips SSL from every connection before passing it onto origins, they are a very juicy target for a certain three letter agency to place a tap.

The bit I'm less bothered about is the centralising effect it has on the internet.

▲tomrod 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Nah, they only recently got FedRAMP high. The real traffic still can't use it.

▲juliend2 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> strips SSL from every connection before passing it onto origins

What do you mean? You definitely can serve with TLS end-to-end with CF, it's called Full (strict) mode, or something like that.

▲thesh4d0w 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They're still decrypting on their nodes, and then re-encrypting before sending to the origin. There's no getting around the fact they can see the traffic as plain text.

▲skinfaxi 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

And they issue certs in your name, right?

▲pelagicAustral 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> decloudflare

> visit website

> mission accomplished

I wish life was that simple

▲5kyl4b 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it would probably be up, if it was using cloudflare...

▲notanazzi 29 minutes ago | parent [-]

cloudflare shill

▲vedmed 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

you attack the messenger

but can you rebuke the message?

▲bix6 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is there a good alt to cloudflare? I don’t want to feed the beast but they are substantially better / cheaper for my use case (domain registrations and tiny websites)

▲dawnerd 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Same, I’d rather not use them but there’s really not much else out there that can offer what Cloudflare does for the price (free). In particular I love the free egress from backblaze.

I’d gladly jump ship if there was a competent competitor, even if paid… within reason.

▲monneyboi 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I've heard good things about https://bunny.net/

▲judge2020 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

GitHub version https://github.com/jiakaiBot/deCloudflare/blob/89983e1501dbb...

▲mertcangokgoz 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your site isn't even loading; it looks like you should use Cloudflare.

▲judge2020 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

HN hug of death?

▲Meneth 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Could've used some more Cloudflare.

▲everfree 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Ironic, given the title of the post.

▲swyx 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

given i cant read the post... whats the authors objection to cloudflare? the nazi stuff?

▲peesem 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

just sort of a general complaint about how much the internet relies on cloudflare and what that means. massive point of failure, erratic browser checks & outright blocking, surveillance

▲vedmed 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You've made a great point.

Just not the point you were trying to make.

I closed the tab after 1 minute of failing to load a readme.md.

▲miladyincontrol 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean I think it speaks loudly that a lot of sites, blogs particularly, wouldn't feel so required to use a service like cloudflare if their viewer visible contents were just statically generated rather than requiring notable amounts of resources to compute each visit.

▲Sebguer 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Incredibly disappointing just how many comments are making fun of the site for not handling the traffic, and saying that "they should have just used Cloudflare". Would Cloudflare caching the site have helped? Maybe/probably, but the user's point (visible on the github mirror https://github.com/jiakaiBot/deCloudflare/blob/89983e1501dbb...) has nothing to do with availability and everything to do with Cloudflare's position as a gatekeeper on the internet.

People who have been around for awhile should probably remember the days when every DDoS site on the internet was hosted behind Cloudflare and CF was notoriously slow about responding to abuse complaints or helping them get to the actual hosts on the other side. Or when Matthew went on a whole thing about how he had a moral obligation to provide services to literal nazis.

▲llm_nerd 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Incredibly disappointing just how many comments are making fun of the site for not handling the traffic

Why? It's a deserved, obvious observation. If you're advocating a position but then demonstrate exactly the thing that counters your position, isn't that a worthwhile point? Of course everyone is going to point it out.

An HN front page simply isn't much traffic at all. It really isn't. The fact that so many sites still fall over is simply crazy in 2026. I don't even know how it's possible this is still such an issue. A Raspberry Pi 5 can host an HNing.

The site finally loaded for me, and seriously publishing content is such a ridiculous pattern. It's actually kind of funny that the whole site is falling over because someone decided to publish an opinion in a README, instead of putting it on an infinitely more appropriate static host (which can be built from that git).

▲devmor 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

In what way does their lack of traffic resilience demonstrate a counter to their position? Their position is not that load balancers and edge nodes are bad.

If I say I hate oversized trucks because one ran me over, my position is not countered by needing someone to deliver my couch.

▲llm_nerd 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

> In what way does their lack of traffic resilience demonstrate a counter to their position?

When 99.999% of sites utilize Cloudflare for "traffic resilience", as a caching facade that even happens to be geolocated to clients for even more benefit, falling over on exactly that issue kind of obliterates the sales pitch. Every single reasonable person on the planet sees that.

It looks farcically silly, regardless of whatever points it makes or however much I agree with them (yes, CF centralization is bad, it's a company with a mixed history and a lot of bad, it basically has a monopoly now, etc). And yes, there are other CDNs and load balancers and solutions. But presumably someone pushing a position on this has the problem solved beforehand, no?

As to your poor analogy, it's more akin to saying that you hate trucks while trying to drag a couch seven miles from the store.

▲aetherspawn 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can’t even load it.

▲peesem 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

from en.action.md:

> Redirect or block "Cloudflare Warp" users from accessing your website. And provide a reason if you can.

come on, really? what does this achieve? only thing i can think of is trying to get the user off of WARP, but i can pretty confidently say that before doing that i'll just not use the website. or if i really care about the content i'll turn it off until i'm done and back on it goes

▲judge2020 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Tangentially related, the archive.is / archive.today / etc site host used to block anyone using 1.1.1.1 DNS because 1.1.1.1 doesn't send an eDNS subnet to the authoritative DNS server. It accomplishes nothing except annoying actual users.

▲dools 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What!? Cloudflare is fucking awesome and completely optional.

▲Uptrenda 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

this is still the best article on cloudflare if anyone wants to see a similar post while the OP site recovers: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2016/07/14/cloudflare-we-hav...

▲ranger_danger 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why does this repo always seem to have trouble staying online? All the other mirrors are down, and it's not because of this post, because I have been watching other mirrors of this repo disappear over time that aren't even listed there, like https://notabug.org/crimeflare/cloudflare-tor and https://codeberg.org/crimeflare/cloudflare-tor.

▲paulyy_y 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The irony of this shit ass site loading at a glacial pace lol

▲extr0pian 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Looks like their site is down, but from their github bio:

" Ⓐnti-capitalist Free Software developer, trans rights are human rights, Black Lives Matter, abolish all prisons, 0xACAB "

▲ranger_danger 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

What did you mean by this?

▲vedmed 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

What does your question imply about your position regarding what he said and what intent can be derived regarding your followup should he entertain your query?