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| ▲ | sanderjd 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm unconvinced that this is a pattern that is distinguished by the nation being reported on. Headlines vary. Both of your example headlines might appear at different times in the outlets I read. I think this was just a stylistic choice and that this whole thread is a weird tangent. |
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| ▲ | Cyph0n 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A few more examples: “40 beheaded babies” and mass/systematic rape propaganda accepted with zero verification (journalism 101) and, once debunked, zero retractions were made Hamas-run, but not Likud-run Condemnation of atrocities by Israel and the US that comes from Israeli and Western voices is given significantly more weight than the same claims coming from Palestinian or Arab voices. After all, the native lacks the capacity to be objective. Israeli gov statements are taken as undeniable fact, while Palestinian (Gaza or West Bank) gov spokespeople or even Palestinian people in general are barely even platformed Over-representation of Zionists in editorial teams of every major newspaper and news channel across all Western countries, which (naturally) led to coordinated suppression of any Palestinian voice internally and externally (started to change only relatively recently). And the list goes on. |
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| ▲ | wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As far as I can find, every mention of beheaded babies in the BBC is explicitly a statement of other people's claims and not a statement of fact. | | |
| ▲ | Cyph0n an hour ago | parent [-] | | I was not talking specifically about the BBC. On the BBC specifically, try reading through their articles, especially from early on, and tell me what the editorial slant is. Yes, most of the content is neatly wrapped in quotation marks, but what picture were they trying to paint? On UK media in general: https://www.declassifieduk.org/beheaded-babies-how-uk-media-... My point is that both UK and Western media immediately jumped on and recirculated the claim in the first few days without confirmation. This was just enough to sear the image of beheaded babies into the minds of viewers & readers in the West, helping to justify Israel’s campaign to starve out the “human animals” and raze Gaza (a least in the mind of the avg citizen). |
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| ▲ | megous 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's a well researched report on this bias: https://cfmm.org.uk/resource/bbc-on-gaza-israel-one-story-do... | | |
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| ▲ | jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't think that's true and would be curious to see evidence otherwise. I believe BBC and other outlets with journalistic standards use quotes when reporting what officials say and only drop the quotes when they have independent verification, like eyewitness reports from one of their own journalists. |
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| ▲ | frereubu 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are there good examples of this from the BBC? Genuine question - no snark intended. |
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| ▲ | blitzar 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | US insists Strait of Hormuz is open as it exchanges strikes with Iran - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9gkpp0dkeo Iran says Strait of Hormuz is 'open' but tracking shows few ships moving - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydexp39ddo | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Those have the same implication even if it's written slightly differently. "US insists" makes it clear that "open" is a claim by the US, not an independent fact. The first one doesn't match the supposed pattern where one side's claims are stated as facts, despite the lack of quotation marks. | | |
| ▲ | frereubu 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think it's a fair example given how untruthful the US administration has been about whether the strait is "open" or not compared to the practical reality. Both would work with or without quotes, but the Iranian one is quoted. Still doesn't show systematic bias, but it's what I asked for. | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm pretty sure the Iranian one is quoted because they used the word, whereas the US one is not quoted because the statements that the reporting was pulled from never used the actual word "open." I see how it would read as bias if one interprets them as scare quotes, but it really does just mean "this is verbatim" when used here. |
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| ▲ | meowface 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am not saying this is necessarily incorrect but is it empirically actually true. Have people compared lots of different articles. |
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| ▲ | bandofthehawk 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, it's been true for a long time. See the book "Manufacturing Consent" for example, but there's been lots of research since. There are numerous ways that the western media biases news to build support for the objectives of those in power. |
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| ▲ | omnicognate 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I don't see anything stated as fact (without quote marks) here solely on the basis of Trump having said it, and I see use of quote marks for things he has said, eg. 'Trump says Iran war will end "immediately" after US midterm elections': https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cp7r8vgl2lgt The BBC's main sin in relation to Trump is sane-washing, treating his bizarre outbursts as if they were reasonable things for a US president to say. Eg. were he to say "I have a solid gold prostate!" they'd have an Anthony Zurcher piece entitled "Is Trump's prostate really made of gold?" with a quote from a doctor saying "while it seems unlikely and would probably be uncomfortable, having a gold prostate would be unlikely to cause any noticeable side effects as the metal is inert" and a discussion of the benefits of replacing a cancer-prone organ with a noble metal. |
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| ▲ | jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is no way to win that battle. Not reporting on Trump is not an option because his words and actions have huge ramifications for the world. I think in general the press has gotten much better at just straight up saying that Trump is lying or wrong, as opposed to previous policy of only reporting counter claims from other parties. |
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