| ▲ | d5lt5 4 hours ago |
| Sounds like you don't have enough experience with coding agents. Deterministic scripts must always be preferred instead of LLM tool calls.
In fact, you should instruct your agents to write code to execute instead of letting them call tools. |
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| ▲ | buildbot 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Plenty of experience ;) |
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| ▲ | d5lt5 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then why did you comment what you commented, good sir/madam. Claude and Codex are good at remembering to use scripts instead of tools these days, especially if your <32kb .md file mentions it. Not even talking about the skills designed to catch such issues. |
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| ▲ | weird-eye-issue 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Sounds like you completely lack all reading comprehension ability LLMs sometimes like to execute one-off Python scripts to make edits to files rather than just calling the edit tool directly. Both are tool calls so saying that you should have it write code instead of doing tool calls makes no sense because writing code is a tool call for it... |
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| ▲ | d5lt5 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | elAhmo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Are you saying scripts from agents are deterministic? :) | | |
| ▲ | d5lt5 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why don't you try to dispove me. Yes, they are _more_ deterministic than tool calls and consume less tokens. | | |
| ▲ | elAhmo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is nothing to disprove as you don't understand what does a word mean. Deterministic is not a spectrum, they can either be deterministic or not. In both cases, they are not. | | |
| ▲ | d5lt5 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh, I'm so sorry I touched your paper feelings. How dared I to imply that some LLM output is more deterministic than the other, your LLM majesty. Shame on me and my entire family! For generations to come! So sorry I implied that the code that doesn't work and has to be fixed later is deterministic in its execution and can be reused later instead of being re-generated from scratch! Will I ever wash it off my name, your grace? |
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| ▲ | arcanemachiner 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They're talking about writing a file with a harness-native Edit tool. They're saying the agents aren't doing that, but are using ad-hoc methods of writing the files. (My agents seem to prefer see these days.) | | |
| ▲ | d5lt5 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why do you think your agents prefer to create scripts instead of doing tool calls these days? I wonder, is it easier to modify a script that agent wrote before to satisfy your prompt, or is it easier to write a new one from scratch each time a retry happens? Are input tokens more expensive than output tokens? | | |
| ▲ | weird-eye-issue an hour ago | parent [-] | | My god. They are not reusing the scripts. They are adhoc, inline Python scripts just used to make a single edit. You seem to fundamentally not understand what everyone else is talking about |
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