| ▲ | andlarry 3 hours ago |
| Here is the State Department's rationale: https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20... |
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| ▲ | linuxhansl an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Never heard of A/I and I have no idea what they are about, but rather than a government communication this statement reads like an angry rant with lots of unhelpful name-calling. I would expect a government to be professional and just stick to the (proven) facts and avoiding labels; that would also be more convincing. Oh well. |
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| ▲ | tim333 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Remember this is the Trump administration. I think your expectations might be a bit high. |
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| ▲ | alexwebb2 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’m not familiar with A/I, but this sounds pretty damning – the ideological vetting of users in particular seems to discount any sort of neutral utility defense. |
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| ▲ | notesinthefield an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The use of the word “ideological” in text with a US Gov-anything byline is tantamount to a fart. Its whining “I dont like this thing but I cant cry like a child about it.” | |
| ▲ | dragonwriter an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sure, sounding damning is kind of the point of this kind of statement. But its also cheap and easy since there is no requirement that any of the claims are justified by any facts. | |
| ▲ | WindyTree an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It really doesn’t, unless they are screening for terrorism. For instance, a company that provides some free tech for low income Catholics, which ends up used in some crime, maybe bombed family planning clinic, can be charged for the terrorism they didn’t do. In fact, this can be leveraged by anti-Catholic terrorists to take out the Catholic tech service. | | | |
| ▲ | a2ff6eeb0 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hacker news engages in ideological vetting against users. For example, try posting content encouraging violence. | |
| ▲ | mdp2021 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What if "ideological vetting of users" means "discarding those who you believe would use the services for purposes you loathe". | |
| ▲ | bradly 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | From my reading of their policy they do not claim to be neutral: > To be hosted on our servers you have to share our principles of anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia, and anti-militarism It is the first line of https://www.inventati.org/who/policy | |
| ▲ | kennywinker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ideologically vetting can mean a lot of things. Like, a sign on the door that says "NO TERFS" is a form of ideological vetting. By this logic any right wing message board would be designated terrorists the moment one person who has posted there commits a violent act. This is meant to chill domestic left-wing activism. Just like the person who got 30 years for delivering some zines (https://freedom.press/issues/texas-man-sentenced-to-30-years... https://portside.org/2026-06-25/injustice-how-leftist-zines-...) | | | |
| ▲ | megous an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm not familiar with A/I, but I'm familiar with americans, and they look completely ridiculous talking smack about others doing allegedly "bad things". And they have no defense about supporting war criminals or genocidaires. | | |
| ▲ | mapontosevenths an hour ago | parent [-] | | Define genocide so we can all be sure we're talking about the same thing. | | |
| ▲ | 13415 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's defined in the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Long title but the document is like two pages, easy reading for even the intellectually laziest persons. |
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| ▲ | catlover76 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | madsmith an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Unfortunately I can no longer take any official communication from my government at face value. They have lost my trust that they are operating as directed by the letter of the law without fear nor favor. |
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| ▲ | bambax an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "violent" is used many times in this announcement, but it would seem that one of the most violent entity in the world right now are the US? Also, it's so weird that "antifa" (antifascists) has become a bad thing. If antifa is bad then it must mean "fa" is good? So we should bring back the Nazis? The "Western hemisphere" (which, of course, is neither) tolerates the US and the way it enforces its decisions outside its own borders, because it used to provide some assurance of stability and protection. But as the US rescinds that policy, weakens Nato, declares a tariffs war to every country on earth, etc., there will be less and less justification as well as, probably (hopefully) less and less public acceptance for any of this posturing. |
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| ▲ | fastball an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > A/I’s cadre of radical hackers and tech developers provide a full spectrum of services Pun intended? |
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| ▲ | sph 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Like trying to scrutinize the motives of a complete lunatic. |
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| ▲ | Grombobulous 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Here’s the thing though: if even some of the examples given in the state department page are true (some of them are rather silly), that A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of, I’m not sure how they expected to hide behind their mission. My impression is that they didn’t say “hey we don’t have customer information but we don’t service violent groups and we will responsibly investigate and discontinue service to offenders.” Their vibe was much more defiant, like, “we designed this to be anonymous and specifically intend/expect for it to be used in any way regardless of legality and are okay with it.” Is it right for the US to be the global arbiter of this issue and domains in general? Of course not. | | |
| ▲ | pepperoni_pizza 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > “we designed this to be anonymous and specifically intend/expect for it to be used in any way regardless of legality and are okay with it.” That is also what Signal does. Or absolutely any end-to-end encrypted communication service at all - these are explicitly designed not to retain details of communication. Do you want to declare them terrorists too? | | |
| ▲ | Grombobulous 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What Signal does is different than what A/I was in a number of ways. | | |
| ▲ | sph an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Which terrorists and criminals are texting right now on Signal? You (and hopefully Signal) have no idea whatsover, that's the point of privacy. Now, if you are against private conversations, please state so clearly so we know which side of the fence you lean towards. | |
| ▲ | boesboes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I disagree in more ways, so that invalidates your comment xoxox | |
| ▲ | pepperoni_pizza 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You won't elaborate though, just make vague accusations. | | |
| ▲ | ricardobeat an hour ago | parent [-] | | I think the difference they alluded to is that they manually vetoed new users, presumably based on their self-declared goals and ideology, whereas Signal etc are neutral platforms. | | |
| ▲ | pepperoni_pizza an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The A/I vetting was in the form of a form asking why do you want A/I email or blog. You could write anything in it. Meanwhile, Signal requires a phone number, so it knows much more about your identity than A/I did. | | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | How do you know what the A/I vetting consisted of or what standards they held? They don't seem to have published any detailed description of the process, and by their own account they destroyed all records of the vetting after approval. |
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| ▲ | Grombobulous an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah I didn’t elaborate since this was explained elsewhere in the thread. |
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| ▲ | Jeff_Brown 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Please elaborate! |
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| ▲ | fl0id 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | in interviews, they said if you give them examples of "xyz" is prohibited by applicable law, they would remove it. They would not help you spy on them probably, by backdooring their infra or sth. | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of If that's disqualifying, a lot of US government contractors are in trouble. | | |
| ▲ | Grombobulous 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This isn’t a “gotcha.” There are very logical reasons why the state wielding force and violence is preferable to the alternatives (gangs, cartels, etc). | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > There are very logical reasons why the state wielding force and violence is preferable to the alternatives… Seems like there are some pretty clear historical exceptions to this rule. | | |
| ▲ | Grombobulous an hour ago | parent [-] | | That’s absolutely true. We can also pragmatically understand why having rules around about not starting violent revolutions, especially when we’ve already established an okay-ish democratic system, generally benefits most people. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz an hour ago | parent [-] | | > we’ve already established an okay-ish democratic system We have pardoned Jan 6ers convicted of "wielding force and violence" for political goals in goverment positions now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch is uncomfortably close to the situation. | | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | And everyone involved in hiring and pardoning them should go to prison. I can't speak for everyone, but many of us really do have a principled opposition to political violence. |
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| ▲ | stanleykm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | well depends on if you are in the group the state is wielding that power for or not.. | |
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| ▲ | beej71 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or J6. | | |
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| ▲ | hirako2000 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | computomatic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Most of this has me rolling my eyes (“cadre of radical hackers”? really?), but this part is interesting: > The A/I Collective… manually vets all potential users for ideological affinity before granting them access to its infrastructure. What is the truth behind that? Such behaviour would undermine A/I’s claim they are akin to Gmail if they explicitly are not a neutral ISP. After that, it becomes a question of degrees: what were their specific criteria for access to the platform? Asking out of genuine curiosity. I wasn’t familiar with this group before today. |
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| ▲ | Grombobulous 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is exactly the problem they ran into. A lot of the state department’s claims of “violent groups” are BS but it also seems like a non-zero number of them are pretty violent organizations. There’s a big difference between “we have designed our devices to be zero-knowledge but we act swiftly against violent/illegal activity if it’s discovered” versus “we actively endorse the views of our user base.” | | |
| ▲ | fl0id 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | for them it basically just means to not platform nazis etc. but then once you have an account, there is no control or anything. | | |
| ▲ | fastball an hour ago | parent [-] | | That's exactly the point though: if you are choosing to platform some and not others, and some (many? most?) of the groups you are choosing to platform are violent groups, you very quickly run out of plausible deniability. |
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| ▲ | vrganj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Basically, far right extremists targeting antifascists through mechanisms of political repression while having the gall to call themselves pro free speech. |
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