| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago |
| > A/I knowingly provided services to groups that verifiably did some rather violent things they are accused of If that's disqualifying, a lot of US government contractors are in trouble. |
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| ▲ | Grombobulous 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| This isn’t a “gotcha.” There are very logical reasons why the state wielding force and violence is preferable to the alternatives (gangs, cartels, etc). |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > There are very logical reasons why the state wielding force and violence is preferable to the alternatives… Seems like there are some pretty clear historical exceptions to this rule. | | |
| ▲ | Grombobulous an hour ago | parent [-] | | That’s absolutely true. We can also pragmatically understand why having rules around about not starting violent revolutions, especially when we’ve already established an okay-ish democratic system, generally benefits most people. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz an hour ago | parent [-] | | > we’ve already established an okay-ish democratic system We have pardoned Jan 6ers convicted of "wielding force and violence" for political goals in goverment positions now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch is uncomfortably close to the situation. | | |
| ▲ | SpicyLemonZest 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | And everyone involved in hiring and pardoning them should go to prison. I can't speak for everyone, but many of us really do have a principled opposition to political violence. |
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| ▲ | stanleykm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | well depends on if you are in the group the state is wielding that power for or not.. | |
| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [deleted] |
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| ▲ | beej71 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Or J6. |
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