| ▲ | bko 16 hours ago |
| There was an audit trail for improper access using the technology and a lawsuit. How is this "lack of accountability" and "lack of public oversight"? Here are the 100 instances: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wied.11... |
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| ▲ | cogman10 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Because the cops that did this won't face any real consequences. Will they be fired? Maybe. But will they stop being cops? Almost certainly not. Will they face criminal or civil penalties? Almost certainly not. Will they keep all benefits related to being a cop? Yes. That's what's meant by a lack of accountability. Cops abusing their authority to pester people they don't like has been happening for nearly as long as there has been cops. But in modern America they have extra protections and one of the most powerful unions in the US which shield them from all real punishments. Just being caught abusing the system is meaningless. |
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| ▲ | bko 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why don't you see how the lawsuit plays out? What do you think it should be? Post a compelling TikTok and put the bad cop in jail? This is due process. > Cops abusing their authority to pester people they don't like has been happening for nearly as long as there has been cops. I think on net cops are good. We grant them power and put in reasonable guards for them to not abuse that power. And when they do there are remedies, like this guy is pursuing. | | |
| ▲ | cogman10 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Why don't you see how the lawsuit plays out? Because these lawsuits all play out the same. The city pays out, the cop is maybe fired and they go get a job in the next city over as a cop. > What do you think it should be? At a minimum every cop involved should lose the right or ability to be a cop anywhere. > I think on net cops are good. We grant them power and put in reasonable guards for them to not abuse that power. I think cops are necessary, I wouldn't call them good. I don't think we have reasonable guards because cops abuse their power all the time and face few consequences. More than a few cops have gotten away with murder. > And when they do there are remedies, like this guy is pursuing. The remedy is that the city pays, not the cops. That's not accountability. The city doesn't even have to fire the cop, just pay out. | |
| ▲ | malwarebytess 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A lawsuit does not solve a systemic problem. This is not a "a few people abuse a tool" situation. People suck. The tool shouldn't exist. I genuinely do not understand the boot-licking. Bizarre. It show's a complete and utter lack of foresight. | | | |
| ▲ | pstuart 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Who pays for the lawsuit? When do cops actually have skin in the game? Qualified immunity is a joke. They have absolute immunity with the exception of when it is too politically hot and the cops were stupid enough to leave a trail that worked to convict them. Policing in America is effectively a state-sanctioned mob. I get the need for the law to have teeth in its enforcement, but when the law doesn't apply to those that enforce it then the system is inherently broken. Until this current regime, my assumption was a simple hierarchy of oversight up to the federal level but the current regime itself has no oversight and is absolutely fine with the system as it is. | |
| ▲ | rvba 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are one of those people who will never learn unless this abuse happens to you. |
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| ▲ | bastawhiz 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 1. It's lack of accountability because nobody involved seems to have been fired or even disciplined. 2. It's lack of public oversight because an attorney filing a complaint about an unlawful arrest noticing a suspicious photograph from a month after the incident and then compelling the police to turn over evidence isn't oversight. Accountability would have started with the officer, who knew very shortly after arresting the victim that the arrest was unlawful, being placed on leave almost immediately. But since it progressed to this point, accountability would look like literally any administrative action being taken whatsoever once the improper use was discovered. Public oversight would have looked like that audit trail actually being read internally to determine whether there was a legitimate use for the searches in the first place. An audit trail that never gets looked at unless you're getting subpoenaed isn't "oversight". |
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| ▲ | hammock 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Same thing with FISA abuse. Nothing materially changes |
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| ▲ | Zigurd 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Try FOIAing a body cam, and filing a complaint. You might get action before the next Ice Age. Record a cop doing something blatantly illegal and try finding a willing prosecutor. In practice there's no accountability. |
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| ▲ | bko 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | This guy seemed to do it. I also have better things to do than record police and refuse instructions. > Record a cop doing something blatantly illegal and try finding a willing prosecutor. The cop wasn't doing anything illegal, from the article: While standing in a private parking lot in Sussex, Wisconsin, on May 4, 2025, Napoleon Jones witnessed a traffic stop made by an out-of-county police officer. "It just didn't sit right with me," Yeah dog, "just didn't sit right" doesn't really hold up. | | |
| ▲ | hvb2 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | An out of county police officer, in general, can't conduct a traffic stop? There's a few exceptions but none of those seem to apply? | |
| ▲ | ibejoeb 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It doesn't hold up? What the implication, then? That the recording was illegal and the post-arrest investigation yielded the wrong result? | |
| ▲ | throwaway894345 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Yeah dog, "just didn't sit right" doesn't really hold up. Can you cite the law that requires more than “it doesn’t sit right” to record police officers in public? | |
| ▲ | bastawhiz 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | He didn't foia anything. The article is about discovery in a lawsuit. | |
| ▲ | joquarky 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What dog? There was no dog involved in the article or preceding conments. You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension and/or are suffering from some kind of delusion. | |
| ▲ | rvba 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To quote your other post... where you wrote: "Its a camera bro" Why citizens cannot record cops? |
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