| ▲ | Babylonian Lamb Stew with Beets (1750–1730 BCE)(babylonian-collection.yale.edu) |
| 91 points by yubblegum 3 days ago | 29 comments |
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| ▲ | harel an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Coincidentally this book which has been a labour of love of his creator is going into print this week: https://www.tableofgods.com It's quite expensive though, but it does look amazing. |
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| ▲ | dvh 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Apparently their beets looked the same as ours: > The kind of beets used in such an ancient recipe should not be different from the beets we use today, even in name. We read in Dictionary of Assyrian Botany (by Campbell Thompson, 1948) that in the ancient Mesopotamian region it was called ‘shumundar,’ it was as red as blood, and has a spinning-top shape (pp. 49, 51). |
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| ▲ | alephnerd 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The recipe is also similar to Hamedh [0], a delicacy in Iraqi and Baghdadi Jewish households. The only major difference is the addition of tomatoes thanks to the Columbian Exchange, and rice - which would have not been cultivated or traded in West Asia yet. On that note, in Arabic, Farsi, and Hindustani the word for Tomato is essentially shared (tumatar/tamatimu) with the English word "tomato". But anyhow, a lot of home cooking and traditional meals actually have a pretty long history. [0] - https://www.splendidtable.org/story/2000/12/12/hamad-iraqi-b... | | |
| ▲ | amir_karbasi 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Actually, in Persian, tomato is literally translated as “western plum”. This is common in our language as we usually say “western” or “foreign” as a prefix to many things that were introduced to Iran (strawberries, sit-style toilets, etc) | | |
| ▲ | xattt 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | As an aside, tomatoes are golden apples (pomodoro), and oranges are Chinese apples (Apfelsin) in some languages. A lot of cultures appear to name botanicals using apples or, in GP’s context, stone fruit as “reference” points. | |
| ▲ | riffraff 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Interesting, in various European languages those tend to be "Turkish": turkey hens (the bird called turkey now), Turkish corn (maize), Turkish beans (long beans). Again, trade routes. | | |
| ▲ | idontwantthis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In Panama they say Chino for foreign versions and in Cambodia they say barang which literally means Frankish (via farang from Thailand). | |
| ▲ | oldandboring 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > maize Which, in turn, originated in Mexico and didn't make its way to Europe until the 1500s. |
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| ▲ | alephnerd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Appreciate the clarification! | | |
| ▲ | amir_karbasi 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | My pleasure! I also find languages very interesting and have had the opportunity to grow up in a bilingual home and learn French and German. One more fun fact is that potato is a direct translation of the French “Pomme de terre” (“sib zamani” or “ground apple”). Back to the actual topic, this is a recipe that’s definitely worth trying. Persian shallots are actually more garlicky than oniony. A great addition to lamb dishes and yogurt. |
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| ▲ | thaumasiotes 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If it's any consolation, their lambs were nothing like ours. This period is early enough that sheep weren't yet sheared. |
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| ▲ | cantalopes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Gonna be quite challenging to get "1/2 cup of rendered sheep fat" |
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| ▲ | mermadicsolutio 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I was able to get some tail fat from a halal butcher. But never seen lamb fat anywhere else | |
| ▲ | strken an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In Australia where lamb is more common than in the US, it'd be pretty easy to keep the fat after roasting a lamb shoulder, or to freeze the fatty offcuts from forequarter chops and render them after I had enough. | |
| ▲ | jp0d an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Lamb is quite popular down here in Australia. I usually keep some rendered fat from my roasts etc. Sometimes I cook other meats with it and it adds heaps of flavour. I do that with pork fat as well. | |
| ▲ | s0rce an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | if you have a good butcher they might be able to get you some that you can render, but its a hassle. I've done this for beef fat to make some british pie things. |
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| ▲ | comrade1234 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How's the presentation? Just imagining it, it would seem that the meet would have a weird color. |
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| ▲ | debo_ 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It looks great. When I first saw it, I thought "this color can't be beet" |
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| ▲ | PeterHolzwarth an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What's enlightening is how astonishingly little salt is used, by our standards. |
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| ▲ | mermadicsolutio 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Honestly the recipe sounds like adding beets to a regular lamb stew recipe. If I havent watch this video and saw the dish, I would think some fancy restaurant is trying to be "innovative" |
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| ▲ | yubblegum 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm reading Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones' Babylon - The Biography of a Metropolis which just recently came out, and that's how I ended up hearing about Yale's culinary adventures. The book, btw, is kind of breezy in style and 'he of many LLs in his name' (Lālu-mullālu in Akkadian as suggested by my friendly AI) uses a lot of contemporary pop (nerdy) references to carry the narrative, yet very engaging and am learning a lot about this fabled city (and civilization). It sets certain records straight ... |
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| ▲ | eikenberry 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Close to a recipe on Tasting History... https://www.tastinghistory.com/recipes/babylonianlambstew
Our current favorite dinner watching along with Alton Brown. |
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| ▲ | bornfreddy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think the taste of their beer would have been much different from what we drink today? |
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| ▲ | analog8374 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I dislike lamb but the rest sounds great. Maybe I could sub beef. |