We plan to support future versions of the Motorola Signature, Razr Fold and Razr Ultra. We'll have at least a non-folding Signature successor in 2027 but aren't yet sure if the folding devices will provide what we need.

We're confident it's going to be much better hardware than Pixels and that our users will be happy with it. Our initial goal was only providing competitive security with Pixels but it's now clear we can do better in most areas. Google will likely have a significantly better secure element for a while but that can change too.

What's the point of the Pixel 11 and later now that they aren't supported by AOSP and are no longer going to be best in class for security? The updates and security features are why GrapheneOS uses them. We have ~500k users on the Pixel 6 through Pixel 10a and many of those users had multiple previous Pixel and Nexus devices for GrapheneOS. Our userbase is rapidly growing at an increasing rate and was already significant for Pixels.

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kangs 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I worked with Moto on simple security improvements a few years ago and while they understood the competitive advantage they would get, being a now-small player - I also wasn't convinced that they were fully committed, their support apps and base image were still full of software i wouldn't recommend to say the least.

I hope they are now. There is a void to fill.

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glitchbot 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Historically Motorola is a solid product. The Nothing Phone 4 pro looks interesting. Is grapheme in an official relationship with above phone? You can ship them your phone and they set it up for you.

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kuschku a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does this mean we might finally get a phone with 3.5mm jack, microSD slot and GrapheneOS support? I believe I've been asking for that for 10 years now.

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grapheneos a day ago | parent [-]

The last Pixel with a 3.5mm jack was the Pixel 5a launched in August 2021. The 3rd/4th/5th gen Pixel 'a' series headphone jacks had horrible audio quality far worse than using the decent USB-C DAC included with the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3. They stopped bundling that with the Pixel 4.

Extendable storage is usually provided via the SIM tray. Physical SIMs are being phased out which is not good news for the feature you want. Realistically, you'll still need to use USB-C for headphones or an external drive.

You can look at the Motorola Signature (2026) for an idea of the initial device which will be a successor to it. Their high end devices don't have 3.5mm audio or microSD. They have devices with those but they're nowhere near our requirements.

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kuschku a day ago | parent | next [-]

I have been using Sony Xperia's since the Pixel 1 phased out the headphone jack, and the Xperias have had better 3.5mm jacks than even many dedicated DACs.

Physical SIMs being phased out seems to be primarily a US thing right now, but if that happens I'm just gonna stop using phones entirely.

If you want to glue a usb hub, DAC and card reader to your phone, go ahead, but I'd consider that a little bit inconvenient.

Seriously, the latency on wireless and usb-c headphones is so unpredictable that for lecture recording at hacker conferences they've now been banned for both live video/audio production and for video editing, with 3.5mm as the only option going forward.

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jasomill 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For what it's worth, Apple's cheap (<$10) 3.5" adapters tend to have excellent audio quality and should work with Android devices.

	▲	kuschku 17 hours ago \| parent [-]
		They're still significantly worse than the builtin 3.5mm ports Sony provides, and they're obviously still a major inconvenience.

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hexfish 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is no significant latency on usb-c DAC's. In fact most internal DAC's are just the same chip connected to an internal USB bus.

Bluetooth absolutely has a noticeable delay depending on the codec/profile.

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kuschku 15 hours ago | parent [-]

USB DACs themselves are fine, but many wireless headphones that also support USB-C run active processing with unpredictable latency.

	▲	grapheneos 19 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		There are a lot of high quality tiny USB-C DACs available and also a decent set of direct USB-C headphone options.

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ysnp 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you know any top level mobile division people at Sony you could encourage them to reach out and commit to meeting GrapheneOS's requirements.

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terribleperson a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Please consider trying to bring Graphene to the Moto G. Security is not the only reason someone might want to use Graphene - some of us just want to untangle ourselves from Google.

The option to have supported Graphene as well as an SD card slot and headphone port would be wonderful.

	▲	ethbr1 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Security is not the only reason someone might want to use Graphene I was thinking about this and am curious if the Graphene team are specifically treating 'more secure than stock Android' as a non-negotiable for the purpose of having a strong pipe to swing at Google should Google ever play the 'third party distributions need to be shut down... because security' card.

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canada_dry 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Graphene on Razr Ultra - YES! Can't come soon enough.