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My Friend Aaron(rorz.io)
417 points by sarreph 7 hours ago | 111 comments
sarreph 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

OP here - longtime HN user. I submitted this story to a writing contest a few months back, but didn’t hear anything from them.

I posted it here on a punt and getting front page of HN is 10x the feeling any writing contest could give me!

Thanks to all who read and commented, and glad to hear it resonates with some of you!

[EDIT]: There've been a lot more comments since I wrote this one. I want you all to know that I've read every single comment and am ever so grateful for everyone who responded here / took the time to read the story!

xp84 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You're a great writer. I haven't read a lot recently, but this was the type of story that I really could not stop reading.

I also didn't see that it said "This is a short story" at the top, so I read more than half thinking it was nonfiction. Heh.

suriyaG 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is incredibly well written had me hooked till the end (probably because I thought it was a real life incident. :)

madradavid 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My god, for a minute there I thought this was real.. This resonates, I bet a number of us know or Are an “Aaron”. Thanks for this.

xp84 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I'll admit, I was really hoping the end was going to be like, "And that's how Aaron Kalshi created a £XX billion company."

raajg 4 hours ago | parent [-]

THIS!

BrunoBernardino 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Congratulations! As someone who's written (micro and short) fiction for many years, I _feel_ how hard it is to get someone to read it. Enjoy it!

sgt101 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good story, write more. You have a good NO AI style.

raajg 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Couldn't stop reading! It's been an embarrassingly long amount of time since I got hooked to something like this. Keep going!

herbertl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I really enjoyed this! Thank you for writing and sharing.

suprfnk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Very well written! I haven't read such a long piece on the internet for quite a while but this hooked me immediately, and kept me hooked.

Breath of fresh air between all the AI """writing""".

thevivekshukla 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good story. I was hooked.

Mistletoe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You write wonderfully, direct, heartfelt, human, real, the opposite of LLM output, and that’s the highest honor I can bestow.

chknkachunga an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Superb storytelling. Thank you. This was fantastic.

jimbob45 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why make him #5 in WoW of all games? Arena has never been that prestigious and most players primarily engaged in PvE rather than PvP, which didn’t have such rankings.

djriley 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Aaron seems like the kind of guy who would sink a ton of time in to something so meaningless now, doesn't he?

noman-land 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

He was #6.

JohnMakin 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this short story resonates because probably most people know an Aaron - the type that is incessantly looking for some kind of scheme, some kind of get rich quick thing, and will spend exponentially far more effort and misery suffered avoiding real employment than it would take actually just sucking it up and working, and often (usually) with much, much worse results. Yet they persist. A few of them become successful founders, probably, depending on their background. But most don't.

Krei-se 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Don't listen to the quitters here kids, go chase your dream, it's worth it. Employment is just helping someone else reach theirs for a pat on the back.

You can do it, be resilient and stubborn, go against the grain and things start to work out.

margalabargala 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is bad advice to give. It sets a lot of people up for failure with unreasonable expectations.

The correct advice to give is "don't do it. It's really hard and you'll probably fail".

Anyone who quits after receiving that advice was never going to make it anyway.

JohnMakin 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I was around that age, my Aaron was this kid who matched a similar description, very bright but utterly averse to any kind of work whatsoever, never finished his education, did okay in school but underperformed a lot.

I remember a few of his dumbest schemes - one, he would get gift visa cards, run the balance down to pennies, then as a restaurant server for some crappy chain, would charge a customer with a big tip, put it on the drained card, and due to some weird quirk with the way they processed tips back then, the money would hit his paycheck before the decline would happen. I pointed out it was stupid easy to get caught by the bank and his restaurant but he insisted it was genius and foolproof. Got caught in a month or two, fired, nearly got in a lot of legal trouble but somehow got out of it.

His all time dumbest 'scheme' was when a major automaker was going into bankruptcy at some point during the financial crisis, the stock was pennies. So he invested all his savings, some thousands of dollars, into buying the stocks. Even being so young and barely financially literate at that point I was aghast, tried to explain that when the bankruptcy finishes, his stock will be worth nothing. No, no, he assured me - imagine - this stock was $20 before, when it's $20 again I'll be a gazillionaire. I tried very very hard to convince him that was not correct and of course he lost everything. Shortly after he got into dealing marijuana but by that point I had determined he wasn't worth hanging out with anymore. No idea what happened to him.

tyre 6 hours ago | parent [-]

What’s funny is that there was a bankrupt auto company that was memed back into existence. Hertz, by all logic, was absolutely doomed. Retail traders brought it back from near-certain liquidation and could have made a ton of money. Not sure how many actually sold.

JohnMakin 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This was GM and as I roughly remember it there was no chance of this happening, because they just formed a new company and issued new stock after bankruptcy. Maybe hard for a young person at that time to understand, and the SEC probably shouldn't have allowed trading by the point he got into it, but it was all over the news and google was in its hayday, the information was easily available.

HappySweeney 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They saved themselves by reporting rented cars as stolen and having them towed back to the lot so they could double-dip.

xp84 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's a shame to hear about - Hertz is one of the shittiest companies I know. It would have been great for the world if they had been liqudated!

alphazard 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> NPC can't comprehend working hard on creative projects to avoid being a wage slave

tyre 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fantastic writing, very well done. Every small, incremental decision is believable. You can see how the psychosis evolves.

It made me think of Justin.tv, which was Justin Kan streaming himself. There weren’t betting markets, but today there would be.

Twitch—what it ended up as–shows how much people crave community. Like other social media, there are many examples in chats of people with believed friendships and parasocial relationships with streamers. For smaller streams, sometimes these are real casual friendships. For larger ones, it’s the dark other side of Aaron.

Anyway, I’m glad prediction markets didn’t exist in those days. I wish they didn’t now (we don’t need more outlets for gambling, in my opinion), but this was a great story nonetheless.

sarreph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you for your kind words!

jongjong a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I thought the story was non-fiction until I got to the point about how the bots attracted real users to Aaron's platform. That part was really stretching it.

corndoge 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I like it because each individual piece can happen and we probably all know people by now that have some aspect of Aaron - massive AI use, or into prediction markets, or live streaming, or just a friend who we have learned over time lacks scruples, or have watched them fade in response to life's challenges. The combination of all of these is then easy to imagine and that idea makes a good story.

sarreph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you for reading it!

burningChrome 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Best line in the story:

I had spent my whole life dreaming of making my own overnight success on the internet, but had taught someone with no ethics how to do it instead.

This is such a great line and one I know so many people related to as soon as they read it.

You're a great writer, thank you for this today.

DoctorOetker 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But that is also basically what most intellectual jobs are, workers telling their boss what to do while pretending they are receiving and executing commands.

sarreph 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah, thank you!

greenfish6 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Powerful. And written so well, I thought it was real at first, I even forgot about the "this is a short story at the top" and googled Aaron's different betting websites

sarreph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you, very kind of you to say!

lazydon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure why, but I thought this was going to be a friend of Aaron Swartz writing in memory of him.

johndhi 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Same

slim 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

we've been primed by the articles from jstor recently posted on hn

samizdis 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I clicked on the HN link and, when I saw "short story", almost closed the tab ... but I started to read anyway. I found it compelling and disturbing from start to finish. Much as my opinions about writing count for nothing, I truly hope that you poat any future works here. A great read.

sarreph 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you so much. I do indeed plan on posting more work here in future... HN has given me the impetus I needed for that (and more) now!

gmmachine an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To OP:

Well written. Certainly bridges the gap between fiction and a plausible and believable first person narrative.

Are you familiar with the US magazine The Sun? https://www.thesunmagazine.org/ I have read several short story submissions at The Sun; typically first person submissions which blur the lines between true first person stories, and fiction.

Try to submit your story to The Sun.

curuinor 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Murder is always systematically kind of a dramatic act. We are definitely going to get a prediction market murder in <5 years, I think.

1dom 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I learned about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_market in the early 2010s. It wasn't phrased like a prediction market focusing on when a person would die, but more like a bounty. If the bounty/pot got big enough, eventually it would be worth it for someone to do it.

Even thinking/writing about this now, it still makes obvious sense and I'm surprised it hasn't been seriously made yet with crypto: if there's a pot of billions, contributed to by millions, the incentive becomes not just about the money, but the adoration, protection and power that would come with doing so many people a favour.

nemomarx 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I think all the big targets for this kind of thing have the legal or government muscle to get in your way? Millions of people usually don't agree on someone dying unless they're powerful.

myhf 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Every prediction market is an assassination market. They claim to trade on "information" but it's more like "influence", and easiest way to influence an event is usually by sabotage.

stronglikedan 6 hours ago | parent [-]

a tale as old as time. e.g., fixing a fight or a game

hitekker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Reads a bit like an elevated resentment fantasy. A mostly ethical narrator narrating his friend’s morally deserved doom that keeps the narrator’s own hands mostly clean. And with the narrator holding a medal at the end.

That’s cathartic for some. For me, the narrator rather resembles one of the local tech millionaires, envious of the billionaires. The story doesn’t seem to know the narrator’s dishonesty.

rfool 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Good point! I also got that impression and that made this story feel shady and finally even boring, resulting in an empty aftershade, mentally.

However, taste modulates wildly.

wasmperson an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the narrator is the murderer and is lying about the man in the gray tracksuit. The repeated criticism of Aaron's moral character is a sort of rationalization for having killed him, with the underlying motive actually being a combination of greed and envy. Remember that the funds used to kick-start the trading platform came from a hackathon win that Aaron "stole".

doright 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some people have always had qualities like Aaron's, and giving them tools like AI causes them to reveal themselves by virtue of becoming that much louder. Those problems are often unfixable regardless, as they are at the level of personality. What is fixable in comparison (but likely not in practice) is not inventing new ways of allowing them to hang themselves and others. But we will invent them anyway, because a promising idea cannot be left alone for long, and consequences will be suffered as a result.

r2ob an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had to stop reading to leave the office and head home. I finished reading it while having dinner! It would make an excellent Black Mirror episode.

raver1975 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I won $10,000 betting on whether you would publish this story on hacker news. Thanks!

ilamont 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is like a story from "Big Vern" in Viz, but instead of Vern being a violent London heavy, it's basically Ho from Slow Horses.

https://assets.londonist.com/uploads/2006/12/i875/4998_big_v...

lucastamoios 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use to read a lot, big novels and short stories, and I know when I see something that is good. Yours is.

One thing that I give you as feedback, maybe for another version, or for future stories, would be to develop a bit more on why keep the friendship with Aaron. I know it was there some reasons, but for me it was a bit harder to follow. But even this is a small thing.

Tell us if you have something else written to share.

sarreph 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> develop a bit more on why keep the friendship with Aaron.

Thanks for your feedback (I got similar feedback from my friend and my partner who both write). I agree that this felt like a bit of a hole in the story as I was writing it, that I never managed to satisfactorily patch up.

> Tell us if you have something else written to share.

This is my first piece of long-form fiction, have submitted a couple of new pieces to competitions since, and aim to post those and more soon!

rfool 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice. Story and your writing style tell more about you as about Aaron.

IMHO, with the second paragraph, Aaron starts to fade into background. While you increasingly describe your character in-depth, but also more and more often seem to advert an urge to apologize for ... something. I wonder what that is!?

mikhmha 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great story! Loved reading it.

I also didn't see the notice it was a short story. So I was a bit puzzled when reading how Aaron built his own exchange as a novice programmer. To me building an exchange is high up on the scale of programming difficulty. Its one of those things you have to do extremely well or else no one will trust your platform.

sarreph 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> I also didn't see the notice it was a short story.

I'm starting to think perhaps I could have made the callout at the top a little clearer :)

Thank you for your words above also.

Kim_Bruning 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I might have known an "aaron" or two like that.I've also known an actual "Aaron" who was famous for being extremely ethical and I initially clicked thinking it'd be a reminisce about that one.

The story is written really well. Lots of other people have said great stuff about it, so I get some room to criticize a bit too!

I just wonder about how you constructed the ending. It seemed like a different ending was coming in, and then the sudden <spoiler> out of nowhere is almost a diablo ex machina. It's just someone who comes out of nowhere, does one thing, and vanishes again, right at the end of the story, just to finish it. It's like "and then he woke up, and realized it was all a dream" ; except not quite as bad as that makes it sound. Intellectually (sherlock holmes reader style) you could see it coming, but somehow story-arc-wise not so much.

I was totally on board with the story right up to that point though, so definitely good craft.

(edit: was it deliberately a Shaggy Dog Story? If so the fact that there is a trope called "shoot the shaggy dog" is almost too on the nose, so I'm wondering if you had that in mind! https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShaggyDogStory https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShootTheShaggyDo... )

sarreph an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Haha I have not heard of the Shaggy Dog trope! (Or it’s only very vaguely familiar)

I agree with you that the ending is a bit rushed, which I think can come off as forced. I’d like to blame the word count for the competition I submitted this into… :D

I’d been thinking about the idea for this story for a couple of weeks before I actually started writing it, from which I had quite a visceral idea for the ending. So I guess in some ways I could have tried to weave it in more, but I also did kind of want it to be a shocker / surprise!

triceratops 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> then the sudden <spoiler> out of nowhere is almost a diablo ex machina

Matt Levine says that prediction markets don't just predict future events. They also create strong incentives to make them happen (or not happen).

If you already knew that then the end was, I won't say predictable (hehe) - I was a bit surprised - but also not out of left field.

croisillon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

anyone else gets an error? error loading dynamically imported module: https://rorz.io/_next/static/chunks/link-CKkD60iF.js

sarreph an hour ago | parent [-]

It’s hard to tell how spontaneous this error is as I’ve only just launched this website, but will try to see if there’s a fix for it — thanks for the data!

arjie 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Strangely, doesn't load for me with some Vercel/NextJS error. Disabling Javascript displays the whole post, though.

sarreph an hour ago | parent [-]

Notice another commenter saying similar, thanks for the data.

Chu4eeno 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

Something seems to 404:

    GET https://rorz.io/_next/static/chunks/link-CKkD60iF.js 404
    Loading module from “https://rorz.io/_next/static/chunks/link-CKkD60iF.js” was blocked because of a disallowed MIME type (“text/html”).
    TypeError: error loading dynamically imported module: https://rorz.io/_next/static/chunks/link-CKkD60iF.js index-ConxhaY_.js:2:49967
    The above error occurred in a React component:
    Lazy@unknown:0:0
    div@unknown:0:0
    div@unknown:0:0
    div@unknown:0:0
    body@unknown:0:0
    html@unknown:0:0
    Eo@https://rorz.io/_next/static/chunks/vinext-B9_QPQZC.js:32:16818
    [...]
dstnn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just sent this to my 16 year old. Thank you for writing and sharing this

sarreph an hour ago | parent [-]

That’s awesome to hear, thank you.

jgilias 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hooked me with the first couple sentences, and I just had to keep going, as I just wanted to know what happens next.

Thanks, a good read!

mchaver 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I initially missed the line saying it was a short story and read through most of it as personal experience until the last couple of paragraphs. That made it even more exciting, but it is still very good as a fictional story.

jamesforestwest 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What a great story. You have a very pleasant, flowing style. I didn't even notice it until I reached the end, it really captivated me

john_strinlai 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

from your first post, a couple of days ago:

>What I'm saying is: that the sum total of blog posts I have actually published (for myself, not for work) is zero.

thanks for publishing this story. it kept me hooked throughout. i hope you continue to publish more.

sarreph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah - thanks! I aim to keep it up!

royal__ 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I legitimately thought this was real for about half of it and it made it very engaging, well done.

ceroxylon 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Very good from start to finish, it reminds me of a darker version of the real story told in the 2009 documentary We Live In Public about Josh Harris.

sarreph an hour ago | parent [-]

I’ve not seen this before. Added to my watchlist!

zabriel_goss 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Gripping! Wonderful surprise to read this today

iparaskev 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I almost missed my metro stop because I couldn't stop reading.

CoastalCoder 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't have my reading glasses on, so at first I read the title as "My Friend Arson".

Different kind of story I reckon.

StilesCrisis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where did Aaron get the millions of dollars' worth of tokens from? The grannies?!?

aesbetic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure if this is a consequence of reading about The Truman Show but, is every comment here made by a bot?

whiteblossom 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For all the Aarons out there, I think it would be very interesting to hear your POV.

jborichevskiy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great writing. Felt like it could be a Black Mirror episode

whiteblossom 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you for this piece! I'll be thinking about Aaron during lunch today.

sarreph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you for your kind words.

unglaublich 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Hey you don't have to reply to each comment with a generic reply. It's a fine piece sure but let's not inflate this thread x2 with just "thank you for your words".

shimman 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Reminds me of the Black Mirror episode "Shut up and Dance."

Great story and creating the character Aaron. You did an excellent job in making a very believable person that I think most of us have run into in tech adjacent spaces.

sarreph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I appreciate you referencing Charlie Brooker as he is undoubtedly a subconscious influence on my writing! Thanks for your comment.

photonios 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exceptionally well written! I was instantly hooked.

sailfast 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Black Mirror adaptation when?

variant_length 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This guy aaron doesnt sound very smart to me

jerf 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

INT 18 WIS 3 is no way to go through life, son.

(Ref: https://www.quotes.net/mquote/3799 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkoPq5AOCOA )

gpvos 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's a difference between intelligent and smart, the latter including being able to use your intelligence for a practical, real-life purpose, like improving your own life.

cute_boi 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think he is smart and intelligent but lacks wisdom.

alun 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Very fun read. Thanks for posting it!

sarreph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Appreciate the comment :)

mulhoon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Loved it!

nobodywillobsrv 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good story and the classic problem with nearly all betting markets having viaticals embedded

stephenlf 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Spooky and riveting!

sarreph 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you very much.

Mr_Eri_Atlov 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great story; it's amazing how many of us sympathize with or have had an Aaron in our lives.

23david 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great short story!!

sarreph 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you!

cynicalsecurity 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Before you read and waste your time:

== It's a fake story ==

mr-wendel an hour ago | parent | next [-]

And yet it reads better than quite a bit of non-fiction and invokes some interesting questions. Maybe its worth asking yourself what qualities in writing can make a “fake” story engage so many peoples interest? It’s also a bit odd to call it a fake when it’s never pitched as being true.

shadow28 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> waste your time

Do you not read any fiction at all? Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time.

fooster 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Otherwise known as fiction.

moralestapia 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Man this piece should win an Emmy or something, it's so original and well written. I also couldn't spot much AI in there. Props to the author.

>rhythmically ejected spurts of bright red blood

Yeah man, like in music, synesthesia, I get you.

Unsurprisingly the author also makes music: https://rorz.io/music

One of his songs is called "Do androids dream of real sheep?"

What a fresh take on that classic quote! Made me spurt my kombucha, lol.

How can someone be SO talented. Thanks for sharing.

sarreph 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Such kind words…! I’m so honoured and humbled. Thank you.

P.S. - I didn’t use LLMs to write it, no! :)

andai 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I thought Aaron’s credits would run out and that would be the end of it: he would finally get a job.

Upon reading these words I experienced psychic damage from the blast of concentrated ambitionlessness.