> XMPP is the pinnacle of chat that just works.

Not my experience. I had to give up on it since it was just completely flooded with spam, and unlike mail readers that have ways to mitigate it, XMPP clients were ill prepared. Might still work if you keep your address hidden, but as chat-like alternative to a public email it just stopped working years ago.

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fluoridation 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What do you mean? You have to accept a friend request before someone can message you. It's more spam-resistant than email, not less. That said, I don't know if there's anything that prevents spamming friend requests.

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grumbel 3 hours ago | parent [-]

And how am I going to find the valid friend requests under the hundreds of spam ones? I used it just like a chat version of public email, for bug reports and such, so I don't know who is going to message me beforehand.

	▲	ezst 5 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		You can mediate friends requests by having servers generate an invite link, you can generate QR codes your friend can scan on a side channel, ... There are ways
	▲	fluoridation 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Fair enough. I've only ever used XMPP when Google chat used it and at work in the days before Slack.

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daneel_w 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think that's a symptom of the provider you chose, not the XMPP sphere itself. I've used Jabber/XMPP for just over 15 years and while I've seen plenty of bullshit going on in various highly popular MUCs (join-floods, phishing attempts and such) I've never personally been subjected to spam directed at me.

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tcfhgj 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I have joined XMPP rooms via Matrix and have already gotten spam from XMPP this way

	▲	zaik 35 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Which is surprising since XMPP allows you to hide your global address in public rooms and Matrix doesn't (unless they fixed it by now?).