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a1371 3 hours ago

Where Anthropic f'ed up was treating their monetization the way they treat model training. Turns out that success in experimentation is not transferrable.

They have tried to find the highest that the market pays for sota models; however, on the consumer side, this is just too confusing and unsettling:

"You can only use Fable for a week as a part of your plan" "Be ready! You have to start paying per token!" "Nevermind! we extended it for a couple more weeks" "Wait, now it's up to half your usage" "Ok, now its..."

Most people want to not care. We want our AI like electricity -- Kind of just there no matter how easy/hard is for the supply. You don't want your electricity company to be on the brink of cutting you off any second.

That's Anthropic. You don't feel they want to give you a dependable service for an, albeit premium, price. It's a constant bargaining game. That forces people to look beyond the walled garden. There, they find models that are fine... and without the shenanigans.

fluidcruft 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah, I agree with this. The constant state of "...will the rug be pulled?!?" does discourage relying on it as a model and building a workflow on it. Anthropic used to just be a reliable thing you could play with. Now it's this constant source of anxiety.

It also didn't help that the government yanked it which adds another source of anxiety since OpenAI is on much better terms with the administration and the administration seems corrupt enough that they would mess with Anthropic if they got a big enough donation from OpenAI.

But anyway after Sol entered the picture, I don't think Anthropic can get away with this as much and I also think they're going to face a massive backlash from Max subscribers if they do end up ending the +50% promotion at the end of the month because Sol is a Fable peer and priced very competitively.

cle 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

My wife's startup made the mistake of building her internal operations around Claude Team.

Then she hired a VA in the Philippines. Anthropic promptly banned her account without warning once the VA connected to the account. It took her weeks to get her account reinstated, at which point she had already moved on to OpenAI.

adriand 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As soon as I started using Fable I was like, okay, this is probably as good a model as I will need for software engineering going forward. I still feel that way. I don’t need a better model, I need a faster Fable.

The thing I miss most about programming is flow, and the constant bouncing between terminal tabs sucks. I’d love to do one thing at a time, with Fable, quickly.

codazoda an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You may or may not like agents mode. I also hate flipping tabs, but I enjoy using agent mode with well named sessions. I still stick with a single session until I must move to another, then I leave them around for a few days until I’m sure I won’t need to pick up where I left off again.

Command: claude agents

pastel8739 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don’t think they were complaining about literally flipping tabs but rather just needing to context switch so often. This doesn’t sound like it helps with that.

jmalicki an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There is GPT 5.6 Sol on Cerebras if you want to try that experience for an ungodly sum of money (not getting into GPT 5.6 Sol vs Fable, but only one is available on Cerebras) for an 11x speedup.

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dannyw 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree they’ve done a bit too many pricing / usage promotions and A/B tests.

The period was also marked with many billing bugs, like spending people’s usage credits for included Fable for a few hours (gave me a huge shock), but to their credit they refunded it.

hparadiz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They are fumbling the bag hard. AI's utility is for general purpose. The floor is rapidly improving from below them. With chatgpt I'm uploading all my day to day stuff. Meanwhile Claude is only for occasional super hard tech problems which are rapidly improving with being solvable easily by Sol. So what's the value add?

Their disrespect for their users is also another problem. You only get one shot to make a good impression.

8cvor6j844qw_d6 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> With chatgpt I'm uploading all my day to day stuff.

Same, it's been a while since I logged into Claude web.

ChatGPT web usage being separate from Codex usage limit is a nice touch unlike Claude.

hparadiz 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If I got cut off from asking chatgpt what the status of a spreadsheet is for handling my personal bills due to my rate limit from coding work I would not be coding on it at all. Glad someone over there realized this obvious fact.

mgkimsal 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'd go further and say chatgpt offering continuing service just with degraded model keeps me in their 'free web use' tier. I have API keys for coding stuff, but for most of my day to day use of public llm, I know I won't get 'blocked' using ChatGPT. Yes, the model may change, and I'll get 'worse' output, but usually I can't tell the difference. Using Claude for day to day stuff, I get completely locked out after so many hours. Again, I have API keys for Claude as well, and use it for 'pro' work, but day to day chat stuff... it's not my daily driver.

rob an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As Anthropic does this, OpenAI Is giving everybody resets like every other day now on Twitter.

I'm strongly considering biting the bullet and just ditching my $200/month Claude Code plan for the Codex one instead, especially because I keep running into my weekly limits (even sticking to Opus.)

technotony 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Where do you get those? I got about 5 resets in July but none since then

wild_egg 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

You should have just got a reset today at least. There are several sites around for tracking them now. I use this one:

https://codex-resets.com

pbreit an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The incremental improvements seem like they are going to be pretty modest from this point.

usef- 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For what it's worth, the things you describe are mostly because they're extremely short of GPUs and growth rates were absurdly high.

(Eg. They repeatedly said they'd keep fable in lower subscription plans if they had the capacity)

etempleton 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OpenAI is also now actively discounting their model. They just offered a free month to users. Both companies seem spooked by what I have to imagine is slowing user growth.

anukin 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

Where is the free month offer going on? Are you talking about usage resets?

SkyPuncher 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yea, I don’t have any interest in trying Fable because I’m not interested in the BS that’s going to come with it.

I’m at the point where I need stability and predictability. I want the B- student who shows up everyday rather than the A+ student that’s unreliable.

AgentOrange1234 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes, I feel like you can just sense the garbage coming. Age/identity verification, mandatory data sharing, morality policing, "Answer Engine Optimization" ads and influence peddling... it's going to be so painful to watch it all enshittify.

YetAnotherNick 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think Anthropic wants a stable experience on their consumer subscription plans. It is just used for customer acquisition who will then ask their employer to pay for enterprise plan(assuming most employer care about data control) which is based on tokens.

Most coders don't pay for tokens themselves. It's just on reddit and HN you would think that everybody does.

codebje 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I pay for my tokens for my own projects, at least when the ones Google seems willing to keep throwing at me for free don't cut it. I'd think that's not too uncommon, especially here where there's likely a high ratio of hobby coders (whether also professionals or otherwise).

YetAnotherNick an hour ago | parent [-]

I also pay but just the $20 plan and just for chats/lightweight personal site editing. I get unlimited token usage from my company.

In my company the average claude token usage is something like $5k/month/employee. Most hobby coders don't spend anywhere close to it.

cactusplant7374 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Dario said in an interview that they originally wanted to be an enterprise only company.

andai 2 hours ago | parent [-]

What changed their mind?

gensym an hour ago | parent [-]

I would guess that it's hard to compete with Google without a consumer component. Most enterprises already have contracts and policies with Google, so anything driven from the top-down is likely to prefer Google.

(And failing that, there was a real risk for OpenAI to be the default for enterprises.)

To defeat that, you need to frontline employees the chance to experience better tooling and models which is where the subsidized subscriptions come in.

corv 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish!

ls612 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The fact is that demand for tokens at electric bill rates so far outstrips what can be supplied currently not just with frontier models, but with open weights cheap models too. Running an always on Deepseek flash agent would cost three figures a month at API prices.

dannyw 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Total costs sure, electricity only costs no. My two DGX Sparks run DS4 Flash at about 50tok/s concurrency=1 which is more than suitable; at about 150W total wall power when generating.

That’s about A$16 a month in electricity if I ran it 7x24x30.

llm_nerd 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>You don't feel they want to give you a dependable service for an, albeit premium, price. It's a constant bargaining game

We all know that the subscription prices are not at all sustainable for these providers. You all do, right?

Yes, they're struggling to segment the market and find a way to make money, and that basically relies upon emptying the pockets of whales. As someone enjoying a hilariously subsidized Max plan, I understand that, and I don't think they're trying to scam me in some way.

And both sides of this equation understand that the market is competitive, and maybe more competitive than they thought it would be. Like, would you rather they did pull Fable when they first said they would? Or that they'd cut quota? I wouldn't. But I'm glad that Kimi K3 and GPT 5.6 Sol and the latest GLM and Qwen and...I love that this has forced Anthropic to change plans. I'm not going to hold that against them.

dyauspitr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

DeepSeek is doing pretty much the same thing they said they weren’t going to change their prices after the 75% discount for the foreseeable future. That foreseeable future turned out to be two months.

fatata123 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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irishcoffee 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s almost like they’re trying to sell a solution looking for a problem! Startup lesson #1, don’t do that.