| ▲ | Phelinofist 6 hours ago |
| Good for Canada, quite a shame the EU folded so easily |
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| ▲ | linohh 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| He'll be nullifying any agreement within two or three tantrums anyway, eventually we will learn and retaliate. |
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| ▲ | lukan 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And maybe the US will learn again, that a great deal is something that people can rely on? | | |
| ▲ | oefrha 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The guy still has like ~35% approval ratings according to every poll there is, and that’s after weekly displays of outright corruption from him and his family, and “winning” the same war dozens of times already with no end in sight. The number hardly even budged YTD. You’re telling me that this country is capable of learning? | | |
| ▲ | loloquwowndueo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You say it like a 35% approval rating is a good thing. It is not. | | |
| ▲ | sethammons 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That a third or more still support him seems crazy to me. | | |
| ▲ | nilamo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | But it's an approval rating. Of the people surveyed. Who chose to reply. A lot of extrapolations are made out of the 10 people who responded. | | |
| ▲ | rfrey 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You do not believe in statistics as a discipline? | | |
| ▲ | nilamo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think most polling qualifies as statistics, without providing info like selection criteria or number of respondents. Otherwise we'll walk right into another situation like when Trump won an election while polling in near last place. Or maybe I want something a little more significant than "we asked around the newsroom, and 35% of fox news reporters approve of the current administration". Cool, thanks, but that's not helpful or even a useful datapoint. |
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| ▲ | Hugsbox 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Still way too high. | |
| ▲ | lotsofpulp 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 35% of US voters is all you need to be President and control the Senate, effectively controlling the US government. |
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| ▲ | beernet 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you wanted a Russian puppet in the oval office, it would do exactly what Epstein's BFF Donald is doing. There are zero reasons to support anything Putin is doing (read: daily war crimes), however, the destruction from within in the US and EU is executed amazingly well. | |
| ▲ | delis-thumbs-7e 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is lowest in history in this point of presidency apart from Nixon, who resigned at this point. That 30-35% is the floor, which won’t budge, likely because the hard core Maga Republicans have nowhere to go in US two-party system - which would be not just a surrender of long-held political beliefs, but a complete social death as well. This does not mean that the core Maga is very happy either, but they hope the movement continues after Trump so they can finally get the full Christian Nationalist Fascism they so desire. I doubt that is going to happen. Trump is going keep the strings behind the party, fucking everybody hard, until finally he dies or otherwise implodes. What is left of American democracy when that happens is a whole another thing. | | |
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| ▲ | stevenwoo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The 65 percent approval rating from GOP voters right now says no, they are happy with immigration, culture war nonsense and trade chaos. Red states and rural areas would need to be targeted specifically and even then all interviews indicate those voters won’t consider choosing the other side, most of that GOP opposition will at best just not vote. | | |
| ▲ | airstrike 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thankfully 45% of people currently identify as independent so his approval among Republicans doesn't have the same impact you'd think it does. https://news.gallup.com/poll/700499/new-high-identify-politi... | | |
| ▲ | stevenwoo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That’s good news to hear but the analysis in that article points out that many of these are people who supported Trump the third time(possibly in a row), after the rape trial finished and all the evidence of the first Trump term - maybe can’t put them all in the same bin but independent voters in the USA are not into long term thinking from all appearances, a slight decrease in gas prices would sway them the other way. | | |
| ▲ | airstrike an hour ago | parent [-] | | I understand how you feel I think you have to consider the lack of long term thinking is likely uniformly distributed among voters. Or said differently, if I read between the lines of what you're saying, I don't think dems are more capable of long term thinking. And even if they were, their failure modes are just as plentiful. Dems have failed to put forth a decent candidate in ages. Speaking as an independent non-voter. |
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| ▲ | linohh 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not in this administration. | | |
| ▲ | voidfunc 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not with 50%+ of the country supporting this administration. Its the people that are the problem. These policies and politics will outcast Trump because middle Anerica and The South are filled with morons. | | |
| ▲ | toddmorey 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Luckily he does not enjoy anywhere close to 50% support | |
| ▲ | fn-mote 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Disagree. Leadership matters. A different leader could take the country in a different direction - with the same voting base. Eg an actual policy of isolationism instead of instigating multiple foreign conflicts. | | |
| ▲ | hilariously 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | And isolationism, how is that doing for any country that tried it? | | |
| ▲ | lukan 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | If you understand isolationism with consistent non intervenism, then swiss has done pretty well. If you understand it as really shutting yourself off from the outside world with literally destroying bridges - then North Korea is not doing so well. |
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| ▲ | jleyank 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | More bigots than morons. I’m folding American exceptionalism into bigotry along with all the usual aspects. | |
| ▲ | koolba 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It’s the people that are the problem. These policies and politics will outcast Trump because middle Anerica and The South are filled with morons. What a sad and tired take. Trump won both the electoral and popular vote. Discounting the opinions of over half the country as morons is exactly the type of behavior that got him elected. | |
| ▲ | vehemenz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The real number has been stable, in the 30-35% range, since 2015. Show you can engage the issue seriously before calling most of the country morons. | |
| ▲ | SideburnsOfDoom 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Not with 50%+ of the country supporting this administration That's not even close to an accurate number now. There are many sources e.g. (1) It's a shame that people mostly learn the hard way, and forget easily. But that's not the support now. 1) https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-approval-falls-33-low... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3fRIleMK-8 | | |
| ▲ | dudefeliciano 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > That's not even close to an accurate number now. that wasn't even accurate on the day he got elected, considering a third of the country did not vote at all. |
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| ▲ | codedokode 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As allegedly Stalin replied to a group of writers complaining that ordinary people do not understand culture, "I have no other people for you". | |
| ▲ | bell-cot 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | llm_nerd 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Trump believes everything on this planet is zero sum, and the only way you can benefit is if the other party hurts. His entire history on this planet betrays this, where he is an unreliable scumbag to everyone he has ever dealt with, to the point where the guy couldn't find vendors or a bank outside of Russia to deal with him. And then Americans said "this is the guy we should put in charge". It is a particularly interesting position when the US is trying to counter China. The only hope the US had was an alliances with other Western-style nations, but instead it has been nothing but attacks and diminishing. | | |
| ▲ | __s 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If only things were zero sum stick-in-bicycle meme decision making would benefit others | |
| ▲ | pjc50 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It is a particularly interesting position when the US is trying to counter China. The US put countering China way behind on its priority list, below "owning the libs" and settling old scores. I am convinced that if the Iran decapitation had worked like Venezuela, which seems to have been what they expected, then Cuba would have been next. | | |
| ▲ | stevenwoo 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I am surprised the USA has not attacked Cuba yet. I am guessing the rundown on missile stocks has eliminated the possibility of a 100 percent air/navy campaign like they failed at in Iran. | | |
| ▲ | icantevenhold 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why should they? Cuba is completely insignificant beyond some ideological value. | | |
| ▲ | microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why should they? To get an easy win compared to Iran just before the midterms? Of course, it could end up in a mess, but it's a mess already anyway. | |
| ▲ | nizbit 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Russia doesn’t think so. | |
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| ▲ | chadgpt3 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because of the ideological value | | |
| ▲ | lukan 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Exactly. Cuba is a pain in the US politics since generations now. If Trump would solve it, that would boost him. But if it fails, with declared victory but significant partisan warfare afterwards - not so much. |
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| ▲ | bluGill 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is unfortunately that the choices didn't have counter China in the list. It was status quo or trump. I wasn't happy with either option there. | |
| ▲ | lukan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And then greenland. | |
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| ▲ | soperj 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Cuba doesn't have oil. The point is to prop up Putin. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The point is to prop up Putin. Attacking one of Russia's few allies and weapon suppliers is counterproductive to such a goal, even if higher oil prices also help the Russian state finances. | | |
| ▲ | llm_nerd 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This ill-conceived, Kegsbreath-run operation depleted weapons stocks, gave enormous levels of intel on its systems (which both Russia and China are loving), burned through hundreds of billions in spend, and made Ameirca look like an impotent pathetic joke. Yes, the Iran operation 100% served Russia and China. It could not have gone better for them. And of course it helped Russia make hundreds of billions more on oil. Win win win. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Yes, the Iran operation 100% served Russia and China. It could not have gone better for them. China yes, Russia no. > And of course it helped Russia make hundreds of billions more on oil. Win win win. For this to be intentional, the USA would have needed to intend Hormuz to be closed, rather than surprised and upset by it. (Not that it matters much, but estimates I see say about $50bn, which is closer to the destruction of Wildberries than it is to $100bn). | | | |
| ▲ | microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think it is equally likely that Benny convinced the administration to attack Iran, emboldened by the 'success' in Venezuela. | |
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| ▲ | myko 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If the goal of a presidency was to destroy the country one could not do a better job than trump. |
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| ▲ | lukan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "The only hope the US had was an alliances with other Western-style nations" Maybe Trump bets on his great relations with Putin and Kim instead. | |
| ▲ | lupire 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Negative sum, not zero sum. |
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| ▲ | ibic 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Pity that for such an obvious fact that even peasants like me can easily see, the "elite" European political leaders are still playing ostrich. | |
| ▲ | eru 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, not good for Canada. Free trade is optimal, even if its unilateral. The EU should abolish their tariffs and let the clowns in the US do whatever they feel like. | | |
| ▲ | Tepix 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Nope, the EU should use the trade bazooka against the US. | |
| ▲ | vidarh 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You're not going to get free trade if it's unilateral, because you've then created an incentive for the other side to protect their own industries knowing you're not going to retaliate, while reaping the benefits of access to your market. |
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| ▲ | eigenspace 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The EU didn't really fold, they blew him off. It was just a bunch of "yeah sure Donny, here's a bunch of meaningless promises we have no ability or mechanism to actually enforce". For example they promised to buy a bunch of gas, but the EU has no mechanism to make companies or even member states buy gas. The only real concession the EU made was just allowing Trump to tariff them at a certain rate, and not counter-tariffing back (with various escape clauses). While the EU response certainly wasn't a feel-good display of chest thumping, I think it was somewhat effective. He was able to strut around and feel big, and they were able to move on. The only reason the EU would really want to apply counter tariffs against the USA would be to either make a point, or because they are actually afraid that exports from the USA could outcompete EU products unless tariffed, but this just isn't really the case right now. ___________________ The only form of retailiation I think the EU should actually be pursuing is the equivalent of tariffs on US software. This is the area that the USA is a highly competitive 'exporter', and putting up barriers agaisnt these software services would be a good way to hurt the USA, and protect / stimulate domestic alternatives. |
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| ▲ | u1hcw9nx 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To add into what you said. EU’s Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM) already affects the United States, though its impact varies depending on the sector. CBAM is big permanent change, and that will be rolled in smoothly below all this. EU has carbon tax internally and they are rolling out CBAM to prevent "carbon exports" (manufacturing stuff outside EU and then importing those product without tax). CBAM is currently used directly some high-emission sectors: iron and steel, aluminum, fertilizers, cement, electricity, and hydrogen. EU importers require granular data on the embedded emissions (both direct and indirect). US companies in these supply chains have had to overhaul how they track and verify carbon intensity down to the sub-supplier level to help their EU buyers comply with strict European reporting standards. EU will gradually expand CBAM after allowing supply chains to adjust. | | |
| ▲ | paganel 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | And then the Europeans suddenly discover that they cannot manufacture enough artillery shells and tanks to out-number the Russians. | | |
| ▲ | throw0101a 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > And then the Europeans suddenly discover that they cannot manufacture enough artillery shells and tanks to out-number the Russians. Germany (by itself) is apparently out-producing the US artillery shell production. * https://www.newsweek.com/germany-overtakes-us-in-ammunition-... Russia's GDP is below that of Italy (and barely above Canada, who is in NATO): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi... If the Europeans really want to, they could produce a lot more by converting over to 'war mode'. Certainly they need to do more with current geopolitics, but there is no need to crank it to 11. | | |
| ▲ | amarcheschi 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >if the Europeans really want to, they could produce a lot more by converting over to 'war mode' As an Italian there's definitely been a perceptible shift due to the increase in defense spending. Leonardo now makes TV ads (something I had never seen before), they advertise on newspapers (...) Off topic, but it's funny to me how the Leonardo TV ads basically skips over the defense part https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXytSNOt_0I | |
| ▲ | codedokode 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Note that GDP does not directly translate into a number of tanks and missiles produced. I doubt Italy has more weapon than Russia. | | |
| ▲ | dbdr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Of course, because Russia spends 7+% of its GDP on its military, and Italy 1.6%. It does say something about the relative capacity though. Russia probably cannot sustain this level of spending forever, and European countries could (continue) raising it if needed. | |
| ▲ | throw0101a 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Note that GDP does not directly translate into a number of tanks and missiles produced. I doubt Italy has more weapon than Russia. Not wrong, but GDP is a rough metric of economic and industrial capacity. So if Italy wanted to, it could convert its economy to produce tanks and missiles at a similar rate as Russia is doing. And Italy is just one member of NATO: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO | | |
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| ▲ | AlexandrB 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If the economic capacity is in "the service sector" it's going to be just about meaningless in a war. | |
| ▲ | bethekidyouwant an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | yes all those guys selling drinks on the beach can just take a bus to the tank factory. |
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| ▲ | eigenspace 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You are not very informed on the EU's artillery shell production capabilities. If anything, the major gap is the EU's lack of cheap drone manufacturing, but even that is starting to make progress with help and integration from Ukraine. | | |
| ▲ | paganel 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > You are not very informed on the EU's artillery shell production capabilities. > In 2025, Russia produced an estimated 7 million artillery shells, vs. > Germany has rapidly scaled up artillery ammunition production, led by defense giant Rheinmetall. Output targets have surged from roughly 70,000 shells per year prior to 2022 to a projected 1.1 million to 1.5 million rounds annually by 2027–2030, so now vs. "projected" and Russia still heavily outnumbers the former Nazis. Which is to say give me a fricking break, I live in the closest EU and NATO capital city to Southern Ukraine, I know my shit. | | |
| ▲ | eigenspace 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Rheinmetall's current output is 1.1 million per year, aiming to hit 1.5 by 2027 and continue to scale up from there. That is just one company in one country in the EU, though they are the largest one. The EU also simply has way more capacity to scale up shell production than Russia does, and the EU is building up stockpiles while Russia uses up everything they make. |
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| ▲ | teh64 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Idk, I think the europeans can do better than paying over 500 million dollars to manufacture none [0]. [0] https://www.propublica.org/article/general-dynamics-artiller... | |
| ▲ | phonon 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Uhhh, we're not doing so hot there either.
https://www.propublica.org/article/general-dynamics-artiller... | |
| ▲ | pvaldes an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Please. Russia had an economy of the size of Italy. And I said "had", because this was before Ukraine destroyed most of their oil plants, and refineries, and their navy, and their petrol fleet, and the online stores, and before they killed a big chunk of their male workforce. And before they have an increasing debt with China and NK that they will need to repay somehow. At this point everybody knows that the Russian economy will not survive after the war is over and that the country most probably will split. Europe can deal with a ruined post-Ukraine war Russia. They would just stand some suffering, but for sure 500 millions of motivated people can build more and faster than 100 millions of a Russia tied by deliberate anti-efficiency rules build to please oligarchs. The only question is how much damage could Russia do, before Moscow and St Petersburg are reduced to ashes as retaliation if they dare to try the final solution. The hybrid war is the real problem. Russia can sponsor still many street "Syrian" terrorist attacks in Sweden, or cause a train wreck here and there, or burn Malibu for basically peanuts. They can do this for years and years. | |
| ▲ | realusername 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are deluded, the EU is an industrial powerhouse compared to Russia, what's missing is just the political will |
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| ▲ | guerrilla 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not just software but online services. That would help us a lot and is safer anyway. | |
| ▲ | mvanbaak 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > and protect / stimulate domestic alternatives. I really would love to see this, but the sad truth is that there are no real alternatives for a very big amount of software products.
In the end, the eu residents will simply have to pay more for a lot of software products, and that's it :( | | |
| ▲ | piva00 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's the initial impact, it's exactly the incentive that over time will create native competitors. Yeah, there will be immediate pain but if EU competitors can spring up because the American software giants are disadvantaged it'll slowly erode the reliance on US's software. |
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| ▲ | stephbook 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Europe/EU are highly reliant on the US military and these issues are linked. | | |
| ▲ | evgen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The EU has no real reliance on US military might. Russia has been shown to be a paper tiger and the EU can use Ukraine as a proxy to cripple Russia while keeping their hands relatively clean. | | |
| ▲ | tgsovlerkhgsel 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I wish you were right, but look at Ukraine's desperate requests for Patriot missiles and Switzerland letting the US screw them repeatedly to get F-35 and Patriot. | | |
| ▲ | microtonal 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Patriots are a big issue now, but they are also for the US after the Iran war. You now also see European countries starting to European alternatives as a result (e.g. SAMP/T and IRIS-T). While these are also still low(er) volume, the EU controls its own destiny by switching to alternatives to US systems. |
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| ▲ | ben_w 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sadly not. Russia went into the war with armed forces that turned out as you say (possibly except the nukes, hard to tell unless they attempt to use one); the war forced them to develop substantial drone and anti-drone capabilities that the EU nations are not yet in a position to counter. | | |
| ▲ | microtonal 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes and no. A lot of the drones are developed by Ukraine in cooperation with companies in EU countries and production facilities are being opened quite rapidly in European countries (e.g. VDL in NL, Innokas in Finland). The EU is pumping a lot of money into Ukraine and we learn a lot from Ukraine. |
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| ▲ | eigenspace 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The EU would strongly prefer to have US military support, but does not fundamentally need it. In the miltiary domain, but also lots of other domains, the EU is using these fake promises they made to Trump as a mechanism to buy time while they quietly work on removing US dependencies, and reducing US leverage. | |
| ▲ | vintermann 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | For what? Defense against Russia? I suspect that if my country gave Putin what we give to the US - military bases where they can do whatever they please no questions asked, real-time intelligence access, unofficial favored supplier status for anything that might be control-relevant, quiet veto power over any national policy decision deemed "strategic" - then we wouldn't have to worry about invasion - from Russia anyway. Why invade what you already own? I think that price is a little too steep, though. Not to mention that the US would then be at least as willing to topple governments/invade as Russia currently is. | | |
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| ▲ | spockz 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Regarding the retaliation, I’m unsure who would be hurt more. There are very few ready alternatives to the MS office suite, and none with the close integrations like AD. Most corps run on Microsoft. If those contracts get slapped with tariffs they would become unmanageable to buy. Then, because it isn’t on-premise anymore where you could just continue running without paying for the service contract you lose direct access to the product. So that might even mean whole companies going under. | | |
| ▲ | s_dev 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The US sells software to the EU. To me is constantly amazing that US citizens and US gov thinks it can just pull the plug without consequence to itself. You pull the plug the money stops rolling in. I don't know if you've ever tried to sell something vs buying something but buying is a ALOT easier than selling. You can easily choose where to buy but choosing to sell is a lot trickier. Pull the plug on AI and the EU will switch to Chinese models. Trade negotiations and relations are very fragile and difficult to curate and maintain. Very easy to rip up. | | |
| ▲ | ntoskrnl_exe 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You seem to ignore the fact that changes take time. There are entire governments in the EU with workflows built around Microsoft products that have no real 1:1 alternatives. If a governmental procedure stipulates that a ministry uses Windows w/ Office365, it uses Windows w/ Office365, no room for an argument. If anybody pulls a plug here, the consequences will be unimaginable. It's nice that a single German state has switched to LibreOffice, but the rest of Germany, or the remaining 26 countries might take years, if not decades, to certify and permit someone else's solution. | | |
| ▲ | microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If the plug is fully pulled, the EU could confiscate some European Azure/Office365 servers and 'put the software on the market'. Windows is even easier, I'm sure in such a situation the EU would be happy to limit the restrictions on reverse engineering to block license verification. I'm sure that there are some hard drives on European territory with the full Windows source code as well. | |
| ▲ | givinguflac 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | France would like a word: https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/france-has-ditch... |
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| ▲ | microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are so many things that can happen. Since tariffs are percentual, Microsoft could lower prices to avoid that companies will migrate to European alternatives. In an all-out economic war, anything could happen. The source code of Microsoft products probably exists somewhere in Europe (since they have European offices) and definitely binaries, since it's run on European servers. Once nobody plays by the rules anymore, all bets are off. That said, a trade war would hurt both badly and it would be an epic fail on the side of the US administration. (Since the EU would not start such a trade war by itself.) |
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| ▲ | mytailorisrich 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If Europe does't buy gas from Russia then that leaves Qatar and the US. Qatar does sell a lot to Europe (hence you'll notice how "friendly" Europe is towards Qatar) but is vulnerable to instability in the straight of Ormuz. The US are making a fortune on gas at the expense of Europe an it's not that the promise to buy gas is meaningless because unenforceable within Europe, it's that it was already happening in practice. And that makes Europe even more dependent on the US (while the complaint was that we could't buy gas from Russia and depend on them). | | |
| ▲ | jonkoops 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There is plenty of gas in the EU; we decided that it was undesirable to extract. Honestly pathetic; strategic autonomy and energy security is much more important. | |
| ▲ | retired 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Russia killing hundreds of EU citizens should be enough to stop buying gas from them. | | | |
| ▲ | eigenspace 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, the EU does rely on buying US gas as an important part of its energy mix. But that is true independent of whatever deal the EU struck with Trump. The EU simply does not have control of who its gas importers buy from (other than sanctions) But this is also why the EU is aggressively pursuing and building up alternatives, including investments in Canada's ability to export LNG, but also buildouts of solar, wind, and batteries. Solar and batteries come with their own dependencies on China, but at least those are a different sort of dependency than fossil fuels. If China stops exporting solar / batteries, the ones we have will still keep functioning for decades while alternatives are built up. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway473825 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > But this is also why the EU is aggressively pursuing and building up alternatives Unfortunately, this couldn't be further from the truth: https://cleantechnica.com/2026/07/12/head-of-iea-roasts-euro... Here are some specific numbers: https://ember-energy.org/app/uploads/2025/06/many-building-r... The EU is heavily investing in renewables, but mainly to phase out coal rather than gas, and it's absolutely not electrifying its economy. You can see this in the EU Emissions Trading System. It covers about 40% of all emissions, but leaves out buildings (dominated by gas) and transportation (dominated by oil). Since electricity is covered, it actually encourages oil and gas over electricity. Furthermore, member states like Germany are resistant to taxing gas higher than electricity: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/08/17/germany-warns-... Despite the wars in Ukraine and Iran, gas is still encouraged over electricity in many European countries. China and some other Asian countries have adopted the opposite approach. They aim to replace oil and gas by all possible means, including coal (although it's not the preferred choice). | | |
| ▲ | eigenspace 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | While I agree I wish this would happen faster, it certainly is happening, and it's happening pretty quickly. Saying it "couldn't be further from the truth" is just silly hyperbole. |
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| ▲ | tgsovlerkhgsel 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The EU also stopped enforcing its laws (like DMA and GDPR) against US tech companies. | | |
| ▲ | eigenspace 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They paused some investigations while the negotiations happen, but most of those are back on track now. | |
| ▲ | microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You mean how they fined Google for 890 million under the DMA on July 23, 2026? Or how the Dutch AP just fined Uber for 825 million a few days ago under the GDPR? |
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| ▲ | shevy-java 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The only real concession the EU made was just allowing Trump to tariff them at a certain rate No. Van der Leyen also promised EU investments into the USA. This is betrayal as well; that money should go into EU countries. Or Canada. | | |
| ▲ | watwut 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That was kind of an estimated sum of investments european companies planned to make anyway. It is not like eu started to build up im us. | | |
| ▲ | myko 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | True, though the prudent move would be to stop investing in the US entirely |
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| ▲ | eigenspace 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's what I was talking about with the false promises. The EU has no mechanism to make those investments in the USA, and no mechanism to force any member state or company to make investments. They literally just made up a number and said "oh yes, we'll make a bunch of investments" with zero intention of doing anything to make it happen. |
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| ▲ | chadgpt3 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| These countries need to grow a spine and make violating American copyright legal, or at least remove their anti circumvention laws. |
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| ▲ | palata 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No need to make violating American copyright legal. Just remove their equivalent of the DMCA. I can't understand why there isn't a single country that did that. | |
| ▲ | jszymborski 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think that's how you get the US to declare war :P | |
| ▲ | bethekidyouwant an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Europe: here is a tome of regulations you need to follow to do business here.
its kind a big deal.
Also Europe: we don't care about copyright. how did you dream this up? |
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| ▲ | koonsolo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Meanwhile in Belgium (EU), company owners are recovering millions from the US government, possibly up to billion dollars for all of Belgium. Don't assume EU is stupid. https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2026/08/18/voka-invoerheffingen... |
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| ▲ | whatsThisBtn4 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | atherton94027 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why put Zohran in the same bag as trump? From what I can see NYC is running pretty well | | |
| ▲ | blurbleblurble 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Cause they're a bot | |
| ▲ | whatsThisBtn4 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Look up the definition of populist demagogue. | | |
| ▲ | atherton94027 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | If fixing potholes and making the city run better is demagogy, I'd take than any day when the alternative is Cuomo or Adams. It's not like they were high-minded public servants looking at the long term | |
| ▲ | forestrywat 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Done. Now what? NYC is still being run pretty well? |
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| ▲ | gruez 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | US was also running "pretty well" under Trump 1 |
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| ▲ | nkrisc 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Zohran is not a demagogue. He ran on a platform of fixing real problems that no one else was bothering to fix. And he’s actually doing things. | |
| ▲ | seydor 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Democracy is failing because people you don't like are being democratically elected. The opposite would indeedn be failure. | | |
| ▲ | chadgpt3 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Democracy is failing because people who are objectively idiots are being elected. |
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| ▲ | bhouston 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Populist demagogues from Trump to Zohran are getting elected. That is quite the comparison. It also doesn't seem correct at all. What world are you living in where Zohran is a populist demagogue? | | |
| ▲ | calf 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Capitalist progressives unfortunately do view anything toward the left as (false) populism. Steven Pinker and the like. Even the main Democrat party does too, look at what they framed Bernie as. They manufacture such truths. As elites. N.b. if you look up 'populism' on Wikipedia a huge portion of the page explains the contested term is sociologically vague and did not have the negative connotation it does in mainstream discourse. Most people are not aware of this. |
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| ▲ | natsucks 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i like this comment. | |
| ▲ | thrance 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Trump to Zohran Pointless, incredibly bad faith bothsideism. Zohran was the only one in the NYC mayoral race to believe in actual democracy. Cuomo's whole campaign was "elect me because the other guy is a muslim, and I won't do anything during my mandate, like the previous mayor". Zohran did actual campaigning on issues the electorate cared about, and so far has delivered on his promises. | | |
| ▲ | andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > and so far has delivered on his promises. I don’t see news about what he has accomplished. Can you give a few examples? | | |
| ▲ | thrance 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's crazy how bad media coverage is. All I can find are naked hitjobs by zionist rags and corporate news siding with Amazon over NY delivery subcontractors, that Mamdani is currently seeking to make into actual Amazon employees. In short: he has balanced the city budget with a 2% tax increase on millionaires, matching New Jersey. He's moving to give every family free childcare. He has frozen rent for rent-controlled housing, and planning the construction of 200,000 more such apartments. He's fixing potholes (that part went viral, for some reason). And more. Support is up in every demographics, including Jewish New Yorkers, that corpo dems were insisting would be threatened under Mamdani, in a cynical attempt at instrumenting islamophobia to win the election for their do-nothing candidate instead. Crime is down. |
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| ▲ | eru 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| No, not good for Canada. Free trade is optimal, even if its unilateral. Canada should abolish their tariffs and let the clowns in the US do whatever they feel like. |
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| ▲ | wood_spirit 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yanis Varoufakis - aside from being radically left and becoming the finance minister in Greece after their financial crisis hit - is a professor in game theory and economics. He did a pretty good explanation of the difference between theory and practice in his Rest is Politics Leading podcast interview recently :). Sticks in my mind and well worth listening. | |
| ▲ | plufz 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I guess it has a little to do with your goals. Optimal trade economically or avoiding giving something that looks like a win to this type of politicians with the goal of avoiding re-electing trump. I don’t know what science say here. | |
| ▲ | mittensc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tarriffs will hurt your existing industries, they will lose sales/revenue. Since you are getting hurt you play tit-for-tat to get the other to knock it off. So you add export taxes to items they care about (oil/fertilizer/...) and compensate the losses incurred by existing industries. You also add tarriffs on items that have alternatives, like alcohool. Maybe add tarriffs on items with elastic prices, say 100% tarriff on digital services. Software services will have to adjust prices so they end up the same after tarriffs since few people will accept youtube or netflix doubling in price. This hurts both countries but will get a result - either free trade or no trade. In the meanwhile, Trump's entourage has derivative bets on this and take massive proffits shorting everyone. For them, this is all massively profitable. | |
| ▲ | twobitshifter 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | it’s a repeating negotiation so that’s not always true, this tit for tat approach may work to make the US lower tariffs. | | | |
| ▲ | intended 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In a vacuum or thought experiment. China put tariffs specifically on the sectors that voted for Trump and depended on sales to China. When the other party is not playing the same game, or not playing in fairness, then the best game theoretical move is to cease cooperation and retaliate. | |
| ▲ | jambalaya8 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | nah |
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