| ▲ | lukan 6 hours ago |
| And maybe the US will learn again, that a great deal is something that people can rely on? |
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| ▲ | oefrha 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The guy still has like ~35% approval ratings according to every poll there is, and that’s after weekly displays of outright corruption from him and his family, and “winning” the same war dozens of times already with no end in sight. The number hardly even budged YTD. You’re telling me that this country is capable of learning? |
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| ▲ | loloquwowndueo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You say it like a 35% approval rating is a good thing. It is not. | | |
| ▲ | sethammons 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That a third or more still support him seems crazy to me. | | |
| ▲ | nilamo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | But it's an approval rating. Of the people surveyed. Who chose to reply. A lot of extrapolations are made out of the 10 people who responded. | | |
| ▲ | rfrey 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You do not believe in statistics as a discipline? | | |
| ▲ | nilamo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think most polling qualifies as statistics, without providing info like selection criteria or number of respondents. Otherwise we'll walk right into another situation like when Trump won an election while polling in near last place. Or maybe I want something a little more significant than "we asked around the newsroom, and 35% of fox news reporters approve of the current administration". Cool, thanks, but that's not helpful or even a useful datapoint. |
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| ▲ | Hugsbox 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Still way too high. | |
| ▲ | lotsofpulp 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 35% of US voters is all you need to be President and control the Senate, effectively controlling the US government. |
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| ▲ | beernet 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you wanted a Russian puppet in the oval office, it would do exactly what Epstein's BFF Donald is doing. There are zero reasons to support anything Putin is doing (read: daily war crimes), however, the destruction from within in the US and EU is executed amazingly well. | |
| ▲ | delis-thumbs-7e 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is lowest in history in this point of presidency apart from Nixon, who resigned at this point. That 30-35% is the floor, which won’t budge, likely because the hard core Maga Republicans have nowhere to go in US two-party system - which would be not just a surrender of long-held political beliefs, but a complete social death as well. This does not mean that the core Maga is very happy either, but they hope the movement continues after Trump so they can finally get the full Christian Nationalist Fascism they so desire. I doubt that is going to happen. Trump is going keep the strings behind the party, fucking everybody hard, until finally he dies or otherwise implodes. What is left of American democracy when that happens is a whole another thing. | | |
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| ▲ | stevenwoo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The 65 percent approval rating from GOP voters right now says no, they are happy with immigration, culture war nonsense and trade chaos. Red states and rural areas would need to be targeted specifically and even then all interviews indicate those voters won’t consider choosing the other side, most of that GOP opposition will at best just not vote. |
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| ▲ | airstrike 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thankfully 45% of people currently identify as independent so his approval among Republicans doesn't have the same impact you'd think it does. https://news.gallup.com/poll/700499/new-high-identify-politi... | | |
| ▲ | stevenwoo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That’s good news to hear but the analysis in that article points out that many of these are people who supported Trump the third time(possibly in a row), after the rape trial finished and all the evidence of the first Trump term - maybe can’t put them all in the same bin but independent voters in the USA are not into long term thinking from all appearances, a slight decrease in gas prices would sway them the other way. | | |
| ▲ | airstrike an hour ago | parent [-] | | I understand how you feel I think you have to consider the lack of long term thinking is likely uniformly distributed among voters. Or said differently, if I read between the lines of what you're saying, I don't think dems are more capable of long term thinking. And even if they were, their failure modes are just as plentiful. Dems have failed to put forth a decent candidate in ages. Speaking as an independent non-voter. |
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| ▲ | linohh 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not in this administration. |
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| ▲ | voidfunc 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not with 50%+ of the country supporting this administration. Its the people that are the problem. These policies and politics will outcast Trump because middle Anerica and The South are filled with morons. | | |
| ▲ | toddmorey 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Luckily he does not enjoy anywhere close to 50% support | |
| ▲ | fn-mote 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Disagree. Leadership matters. A different leader could take the country in a different direction - with the same voting base. Eg an actual policy of isolationism instead of instigating multiple foreign conflicts. | | |
| ▲ | hilariously 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | And isolationism, how is that doing for any country that tried it? | | |
| ▲ | lukan 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | If you understand isolationism with consistent non intervenism, then swiss has done pretty well. If you understand it as really shutting yourself off from the outside world with literally destroying bridges - then North Korea is not doing so well. |
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| ▲ | jleyank 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | More bigots than morons. I’m folding American exceptionalism into bigotry along with all the usual aspects. | |
| ▲ | koolba 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It’s the people that are the problem. These policies and politics will outcast Trump because middle Anerica and The South are filled with morons. What a sad and tired take. Trump won both the electoral and popular vote. Discounting the opinions of over half the country as morons is exactly the type of behavior that got him elected. | |
| ▲ | vehemenz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The real number has been stable, in the 30-35% range, since 2015. Show you can engage the issue seriously before calling most of the country morons. | |
| ▲ | SideburnsOfDoom 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Not with 50%+ of the country supporting this administration That's not even close to an accurate number now. There are many sources e.g. (1) It's a shame that people mostly learn the hard way, and forget easily. But that's not the support now. 1) https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-approval-falls-33-low... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3fRIleMK-8 | | |
| ▲ | dudefeliciano 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > That's not even close to an accurate number now. that wasn't even accurate on the day he got elected, considering a third of the country did not vote at all. |
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| ▲ | codedokode 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As allegedly Stalin replied to a group of writers complaining that ordinary people do not understand culture, "I have no other people for you". | |
| ▲ | bell-cot 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | llm_nerd 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Trump believes everything on this planet is zero sum, and the only way you can benefit is if the other party hurts. His entire history on this planet betrays this, where he is an unreliable scumbag to everyone he has ever dealt with, to the point where the guy couldn't find vendors or a bank outside of Russia to deal with him. And then Americans said "this is the guy we should put in charge". It is a particularly interesting position when the US is trying to counter China. The only hope the US had was an alliances with other Western-style nations, but instead it has been nothing but attacks and diminishing. |
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| ▲ | __s 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If only things were zero sum stick-in-bicycle meme decision making would benefit others | |
| ▲ | pjc50 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It is a particularly interesting position when the US is trying to counter China. The US put countering China way behind on its priority list, below "owning the libs" and settling old scores. I am convinced that if the Iran decapitation had worked like Venezuela, which seems to have been what they expected, then Cuba would have been next. | | |
| ▲ | stevenwoo 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I am surprised the USA has not attacked Cuba yet. I am guessing the rundown on missile stocks has eliminated the possibility of a 100 percent air/navy campaign like they failed at in Iran. | | |
| ▲ | icantevenhold 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why should they? Cuba is completely insignificant beyond some ideological value. | | |
| ▲ | microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why should they? To get an easy win compared to Iran just before the midterms? Of course, it could end up in a mess, but it's a mess already anyway. | |
| ▲ | nizbit 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Russia doesn’t think so. | |
| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | chadgpt3 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because of the ideological value | | |
| ▲ | lukan 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Exactly. Cuba is a pain in the US politics since generations now. If Trump would solve it, that would boost him. But if it fails, with declared victory but significant partisan warfare afterwards - not so much. |
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| ▲ | bluGill 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It is unfortunately that the choices didn't have counter China in the list. It was status quo or trump. I wasn't happy with either option there. | |
| ▲ | lukan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And then greenland. | |
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| ▲ | soperj 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Cuba doesn't have oil. The point is to prop up Putin. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The point is to prop up Putin. Attacking one of Russia's few allies and weapon suppliers is counterproductive to such a goal, even if higher oil prices also help the Russian state finances. | | |
| ▲ | llm_nerd 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This ill-conceived, Kegsbreath-run operation depleted weapons stocks, gave enormous levels of intel on its systems (which both Russia and China are loving), burned through hundreds of billions in spend, and made Ameirca look like an impotent pathetic joke. Yes, the Iran operation 100% served Russia and China. It could not have gone better for them. And of course it helped Russia make hundreds of billions more on oil. Win win win. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Yes, the Iran operation 100% served Russia and China. It could not have gone better for them. China yes, Russia no. > And of course it helped Russia make hundreds of billions more on oil. Win win win. For this to be intentional, the USA would have needed to intend Hormuz to be closed, rather than surprised and upset by it. (Not that it matters much, but estimates I see say about $50bn, which is closer to the destruction of Wildberries than it is to $100bn). | | | |
| ▲ | microtonal 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think it is equally likely that Benny convinced the administration to attack Iran, emboldened by the 'success' in Venezuela. | |
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| ▲ | myko 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If the goal of a presidency was to destroy the country one could not do a better job than trump. |
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| ▲ | lukan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "The only hope the US had was an alliances with other Western-style nations" Maybe Trump bets on his great relations with Putin and Kim instead. | |
| ▲ | lupire 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Negative sum, not zero sum. |
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