I would pay for Brave or Kagi for like $2-3 per month if one of them supported private payments(actually that's exactly what Brave costs).

Paying should get you more privacy not less.

I'm not paying for Kagi because it's expensive and also doesn't support private payments and Brave has better UI for me.

Brave blocks their own ads while not supporting private payments and it doesn't let you use the search premium in Vanadium, it seems, which makes me question whether my subscription would work cross device. Maybe it would but only in Brave browser.

>Support private, independent search

>See search results ad-free

>Get a cleaner view on all results pages

>Cancel any time

Brave should also add more perks like maybe a smarter AI overview or if they ever stop giving unlimited AI then you get some. At this point it seems like a donation.

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robin_reala 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Depends on how private you want to be, but you can pay Kagi with Bitcoin[1] and use that to buy privacy pass tokens and access it through Tor.[2] It’s not complete privacy, but it decouples the account from the searches.

[1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html

[2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/tor.html

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Cider9986 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah they should use privacy pass for the default accounts as well to decouple payment from account.

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Dayshine 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Absolutely not. I don't feel it's necessary to pay the sacrifices needed for a trustless society.

I would much rather be able to have things like personalised searches (which are identifying).

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Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>I would much rather be able to have things like personalised searches (which are identifying).

This wouldn't affect your accounts usability or features it would just delink your payment from your account. Same as paying for Mullvad with a giftcard bought on Amazon.

I don't really understand your first paragraph.

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notpushkin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Privacy Pass would decouple each search from the account. I think it’s okay to have as an opt-in thing. But private payments should be the default IMO.

	▲	Cider9986 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I see. I mispoke with "privacy pass" although it's similar. I meant like a one time break between your payment and account for regular accounts underneath the option to use privacy pass. Like posteo does it or Brave does it for Origin: https://posteo.de/en/site/payment

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gilfaethwy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

While they don't offer anonymous/private payments, you can use PrivacyPass no matter how you pay for Kagi. So, yes, the fact that you have an account will be known to anyone with access to their subscriber data, but what you search for will not be tied to that identity.

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greatgib 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And in addition, they just ask the minimal info to be able to use the service, an email address, and not a full usual registration.

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moebrowne 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure what you mean by "private payments" but Kagi accepts Bitcoin: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html

	▲	Cider9986 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Monero ideally combined with something like this but one or the other would also be an improvement: >Brave uses a blind token protocol based on Privacy Pass, which decouples payment identity from service usage. These privacy-preserving subscription credentials allow the browser to verify you have a valid purchase of a premium product (like Origin) without learning anything about you. https://brave.com/origin/

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ymolodtsov 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you imply that you never order anything online?

	▲	Cider9986 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		My search engine is a digital product that's already free and private and good and is different to when you give someone your home address to send a package.

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contagiousflow 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you use Google instead?

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Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Brave.

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contagiousflow 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Fair enough! How has it been for you?

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Cider9986 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It's actually a very similar UI to Google at least, in a good way if Google was ever good.

The results are quite good except images I like the results more then DDG or Startpage.

	▲	Barbing 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Google’s still king vs. DDG (Bing-ish), Startpage, & Kagi. By a longshot. How’s Brave Images?