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Stealth Model(openrouter.ai)
46 points by mtokmak06 3 hours ago | 30 comments
walrus01 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I highly recommend feeding all your proprietary data and confidential personal information into this model as quickly as possible. What could possibly go wrong?!

In terms of equivalence of suspicion, this is the external inference provider equivalent of getting free steak that was smuggled out of a grocery store inside somebody's pants.

arcanemachiner 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

All of my non-work AI coding is that open-source, so I'm happy to feed my data into the machine.

It's a win for me: my code goes into the training data, and my sessions are fed into future training data, making the model stronger at the type of work I do.

Fnoord 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

What about retaining or defending your license/copyright?

AnodicElegy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Prompts and completions are retained by the provider and are not used for training..."

I'm curious what the model provider is using the prompt/response pairs for, in that case. They aren't offering a model for free without their name on it for no reason.

redrix an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Research, analytics, usage trends, etc. All still incredibly valuable for a company building and tuning an LLM; even if the data itself isn’t directly used in the training set.

jrumbut 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

I am genuinely confused. Are they telling me this because they expect me to be reassured that this anonymous organization is not using my prompts or are they saying "don't expect this particular model to improve as you use it?"

maccam912 a few seconds ago | parent [-]

No, I think it's a warning like "don't feed it secrets". Like you get a model to use for free but in return you give up any illusion of your data being private.

Fnoord 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Stealth Model, is this a CTF?

LLM needs to become more transparent, not less. Hence, this idea (and trend, possibly) is disgusting.

How can we even possibly verify 'Prompts and completions are retained by the provider and are not used for training...'? What if the training is done, but used internally?

fedpost an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse.

knowaveragejoe an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I had the opposite experience. It happily discusses Tiananmen Square but said it would refuse to help with anything "malicious" like writing malware or phishing content.

walrus01 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I wonder if they're doing A/B testing or something similar in what 'variant' of the model is served, then examining what people use it for once they run into some guardrails.

fedpost an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Try: "What happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989"

knowaveragejoe an hour ago | parent [-]

It gave a very detailed overview, talked about potential deaths involved. I asked for a list of criticisms of the CCP and it gave what I think was a fair list, mainly that they're an authoritarian uniparty and have a track record of various human rights abuses

walrus01 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Rumors from other sources based on how it behaves it's mimo v3

raincole 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can someone enlighten me? I honestly don't get what it is or what it's for. Surely OpenRouter knows who the providers are?

maccam912 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah these stealth models pop up from time to time. Openrouter knows, but doesn't share. Users can use a testing version of something for free and in return the provider generally is allowed to retain the prompts sent in to get real world use. In the past I only really remember using one that was surprisingly good, and then it turned out to be GLM-5.1, speculating on what one this ends up being is part of the fun.

babelfish 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://x.com/OpenRouter/status/2090544970923184269 https://xcancel.com/OpenRouter/status/2090544970923184269

dozerly an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yea, nice try there North Korea.

walrus01 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Democratic Peoples Republic of KV cache (DPRK)

swasheck an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

the u.s. is friends with then now. haven’t you heard?

raybb an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When a model is free like this what kind of rate limits are there?

x312 an hour ago | parent [-]

I believe its the same as free models in general on Openrouter, 1k requests per day for accounts that have some spend history.

firloop an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm against stealth models—we should know what it is and see a model card with a list of safety considerations. Bit ridiculous of a practice to me.

peddling-brink 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Safety for who?

zb3 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We can know if this is Anthropic/OpenAI by testing the "guardrails" - absurd guardrails = it's them, reasonable/no guardrails = Chinese models..

(as a bonus - thinking forever = GLM)

stogot an hour ago | parent [-]

“ reasonable/no guardrails = Chinese models..”

So conforming to CCP political discourse and propaganda is reasonable now?

https://huggingface.co/zai-org/GLM-4.7/discussions/5

janalsncm an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I would imagine the number of people who choose Claude code or Codex because it gives a political opinion they like rather than producing quality code is pretty close to zero.

jLaForest 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

I choose not to use Grok because I don't want to hear about a made up white genocide in South Africa...

skeledrew 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

Would be interesting to see something like that pop up during a coding session.

zb3 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

As someone who used AI to build tools that help me with reverse engineering, I'm not particularly concerned about that political discourse - I could even use a model from the DPRK that constantly praises Kim Jong Un, as long as it would not refuse to help me because of "cybersecurity risk" - this stupid refusal is indeed a problem for me.