| ▲ | internet2000 5 hours ago |
| In case anyone here missed it, there's a native Ublock Origin for Safari. It works great → https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ublock-origin-lite/id674534269... |
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| ▲ | simcop2387 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Mostly so, it's got all the limitations of Manifest V3 which prevents it from doing a good bit of blocking, https://ublockorigin.com/#manifest-v3-section In particular: * Cannot use all filter lists simultaneously (rule limits apply) * No cosmetic filtering in the default mode * No scriptlet injection by default * Limited dynamic filtering capabilities * Requires broader host permissions upfront But it's definitely still better than no adblockers |
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| ▲ | kqp 38 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Cosmetic filtering and script injection both work fine, they’re just off by default. Everybody works around rule count limits by making the one app register itself as like six different “Safari extensions”, it’s just clutter not a limitation. It requires no permissions up front and later permissions only granularly and rarely, for me only on YouTube, while the Firefox version does require unrestricted access to all domains. I have never seen a “dynamic filtering capability” it lacks or an ad it can’t block, do you have any examples? | |
| ▲ | GeekyBear 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > it's got all the limitations of Manifest V3 which prevents it from doing a good bit of blocking The only mainstream browser left that can still run the full version of uBlock Origin is Firefox. All the others have the same limitations imposed by Manifest V3. | | | |
| ▲ | armadyl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Regarding the cosmetic filtering and scriptlet injection, are these even relevant? Most uBO users already give full access to the extension, so they'll probably do the same to uBOL to (most permissions + complete filtering mode). So basically they will have these features anyway. | |
| ▲ | snazz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What I like about uBO Lite in Safari is that I can use it without allowing it access to any of my data (it works in a purely declarative mode if you want). Even if it’s unlikely that uBO would be sold to a sketchy company, at least this provides protection against any supply chain attacks. | | |
| ▲ | hendersoon 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes, that was Google’s justification for killing MV2. It isn’t wrong, of course, but I insist on defining my own security posture and I prioritize adblocking. |
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| ▲ | armadyl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| FYI uBlock Origin Lite on iOS is inferior to AdGuard and (I think) Wipr as it's just a WebExtension, so it'll only block ads within Safari itself. AdGuard and Wipr use both the Web Extension and Content Blocker APIs, so they'll block ads in all web views system wide on top of within Safari itself. However as far as trustworthiness goes, uBlock is (imo) #1. |
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| ▲ | Barbing 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | wBlock by an MIT student is open source and seems (just!) about as trustworthy as uBlock, though of course without the track record. Light & fast, especially to update. “wBlock runs entirely within Safari's content blocking API. There's no data collection, no tracking, and no system-level extensions that can monitor your browsing.“
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wblock/id6746388723 / GH: https://github.com/0xCUB3/wBlockOn AdGuard: can act as your PiHole and allow you to see network requests when run in non-native mode. | | |
| ▲ | NetOpWibby 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Never heard of this but looks good to me. Nice to have another tool for the arsenal. | |
| ▲ | armadyl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nice, last time I heard about wblock felt like years ago and I'm not sure why I didn't consider it. These days I don't run on-device adblock, I just do DNS filtering for the most part but I'll check it out, not sure I wanna keep tunneling all my DNS queries to ControlD perpetually lol | |
| ▲ | tyre an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No offense to the author, but I don't trust a college kid the same way I trust the team behind uBlock. The latter have a well-established track record with substantial external eyes (including Firefox directly.) | | |
| ▲ | NetOpWibby 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Age of author shouldn’t be of relevance. Experience and/or team size should. A kid reading up on security from age 6 through college could have a decade of experience, for example. |
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| ▲ | mmooss 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just a comment on the narrative: > wBlock by an MIT student is open source It's funny to me that some find that narrative appealing. Here's another narrative: Many of those MIT students go on to be SV founders and employees who build, operate, and make millions or billions from the mass surveillance and ad industry. And I'm sure some participated in FOSS in college - what better way to build your resume for the surveillance/ad industry? (I'm not commenting on the wBlock developer; I think all such narratives are deceiving and should be ignored.) | | |
| ▲ | yesb 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The "narrative" above is that they're both made by seemingly well-intentioned solo developers, that's it. Use your own judgement for something that wants to inject JS into every website you visit. |
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| ▲ | Aboutplants 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thanks for the link, I like it so far |
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| ▲ | anon7000 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think Wipr is also very trustworthy. It’s developed by an indie dev who’s responsive over email, and gives you a lot for free. And it has a $5/yr subscription (or one time payment) that unlocks system-wide ad blocking, not just in web views. I’ve found it to work exceptionally well after trying other free adblockers. | | |
| ▲ | armadyl an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah my comment wasn't me trying to say they weren't trustworthy, I've actually purchased both AdGuard and Wipr but I stick with AdGuard since I felt like it was better. And the dev of Wipr seems to be transparent for sure. However of the three I trust AdGuard the least, for no objective reasons. |
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| ▲ | ronjouch 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | uBOL bug report: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/438 , from discussion https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/discussions/408#di... uBOL doesn't work in apps, it works only in Safari, it's a pure browser extension, the "app" part of uBOL is an Apple requirement just for the sake of installing the extension.
Copied from #408:
uBOL will stay a webextensions-based browser extension, I do not plan to go further than this, I do not have the time and motivation to take on more work than I already do.
What people may ask though is that Apple maybe supports webextensions in WebApp, if that is possible at all.
I hope this changes, it’s what keeps me on AdGuard :-/ | | |
| ▲ | yesb 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I have been happy with my workaround for this issue which is using uBOL along side the AdGuard content blocker extensions (main AdGuard web extension disabled). |
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| ▲ | odo1242 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Also, if you use Orion Browser, they did implement the full Manifest v2 extension spec on top of WebKit, which lets you use full uBlock origin directly. |
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| ▲ | anon7000 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I try Orion periodically but always find it to be buggy | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is why I started using the Orion browser. It's not perfect, I've had a few freezes and occasional weird behavior but well within the "tolerable" range for me, and not noticably worse than the glitches that any ad blocker causes on some sites. | |
| ▲ | jorvi 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Does that really matter if virtually no one is going to develop extensions according to the Manifest v2 spec? Developing for that spec means your extension is incompatible with idk, 98% of the browser market? | | |
| ▲ | odo1242 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, uBlock will maintain support, and Orion also supports Manifest v3 |
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| ▲ | Nextgrid 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This is not a true uBlock Origin. It's a best effort attempt at converting UBO rules to Apple's declarative blocking framework, but is nowhere near as capable as actual UBO. |
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| ▲ | NegativeLatency 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Works well enough for me | | |
| ▲ | Cider9986 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Does it work on YouTube? | | |
| ▲ | armadyl 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, in practice I have noticed no difference between uBO and uBOL. The only thing I've seen it not block are Twtich ads which the normal uBO doesn't block anyway. There are probably additional things behind the scenes just due to the limitations of uBOL but you again in practice don't see it. |
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| ▲ | lapcat 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It's a best effort attempt at converting UBO rules to Apple's declarative blocking framework uBlock Origin Lite uses the cross-platform DeclarativeNetRequest extension API: https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtens... Google invented this API for Chrome, and the other web browsers are adopting it. uBlock Origin Lite does not use Apple's content blocker API. |
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