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Flock Safety changes system defaults in response to criticisms(flocksafety.com)
18 points by LazyMans 2 hours ago | 23 comments
ryandvm a minute ago | parent | next [-]

Flock can make all the promises it wants, but the reality is that once growth stalls out on camera installations, which it must, shareholders will immediately insist that they pivot into other monetization schemes. There aren't really any laws holding them back, just their already weasel-worded contracts that they could easily renegotiate once the police departments are putting pressure on the city/county/state/federal legislative bodies.

The possibilities are endless:

  - Is your employee visiting your competitors?
  - Where has your husband/wife/lover been?
  - What medical buildings has this person been to?
  - Does this person go to churches / gun ranges?
user00005 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The only acceptable change is the removal of these cameras.

I can't go walk my dog around the neighborhood without looking up and seeing police accessible cameras. They can track my movements with no probable cause and no warrants.

jkestner 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Clearly, the stories in the press have hurt them, especially the police abuse. Requiring case codes is a good step, and proactively catching signs of abuse is a big change from "we're just an unopinionated tool; you should talk to your policy department". They're still passing the buck on educating users on the limitations of their tool. I remain skeptical of any of their claims around data ownership.

Reading these actions, you can pick apart how to circumvent them, and the security audit is still pending — let's see how damning of a report they'll allow to be released.

pj_mukh 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I dont know why we're not looking at the obvious answer here. Encrypt the data behind warrants and require narrow parameters for the warrants. It will require state-by-state implementation + legal changes sure but it's the safest, simplest solution.

P.S: Anyone know how London has solved this problem?

explodes 5 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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illithid0 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't care what they change, I want Flock gone. I will not accept that this is "just how things are now".

goda90 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

I want all mass surveillance gone, regardless of the brand.

abirch 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

please remember to start locally. If your city/town is using it, please build a coalition and show up to meetings.

cyanydeez 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

also start with your tech selections. way to many people feeding LLMs controlled by global corporations all their details.

runjake 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For my miscellaneous Flock queries, I use case number "abc123".

My police chief is okay with it and the case number "abc123" is FOIA-exempt out of operational security concerns.

thangalin 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://i.ibb.co/WWWYznHX/flock-future.png ;-)

See also: https://dave.autonoma.ca/blog/2019/06/06/web-of-knowledge/

slibhb 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Policies to limit misuse should be adopted. But the idea that you have a right to privacy while in public is wrong and bad.

Cider9986 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

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explodes 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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abirch 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I would say that the right to privacy is wrong but it's not bad. Mass surveillance is dangerous. It back fired spectacularly in Iran: https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/03/middleeast/us-israel-plot-kil...

josefritzishere 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is no "fixing" Flock. It's an affront to our Constitutional rights. The company should be dissolved.

qwerty_clicks 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Flock is still a snowballing disaster for eroding personal privacy and increasing abuse.

Guns have safety triggers but cops still have no problems with discharging them too quickly and wrongly.

Let’s learn from guns, we should have limited them in the US decades ago and today the problem is hugely based on lack of will for action at every step in history.

NDlurker 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

Those triggers set to have a higher weight trigger pull are less safe, throws the aim off

AngryData 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

For a skilled, trained, and calm shooter maybe. Cops don't practice enough or are trained well enough for IMHO that to matter. US cops don't take time to aim, they just mag dump.

LazyMans 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the biggest change I like to see is locking out users on suspicious activity, instead of waiting for police departments to police their own.

micromacrofoot 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

too little too late, the brand is poisoned

bilegeek 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Plenty of synonyms[1] for groups of animals to choose from. I'd recommend the one for Ravens ("unkindness" or "conspiracy", seriously).

[1]https://www.britannica.com/science/Animal-Group-Names

tonetheman 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Another great company ycombinator funded... helping ICE and destroying lives everywhere.

Just another example of tech bros enriching themselves and destroying as much as they can along the way.