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Thanks to social media, canned sardines are a scarcity on the supermarket shelf(corneroffifth.studio)
28 points by carabiner an hour ago | 25 comments
bjelkeman-again 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Destroying ecosystems beyond a tipping point. And the politicians just care about being re-elected. Focusing on short term gain.

” The decision taken by the Council of Ministers earlier this week on the 2024 fishing quotas in the Baltic Sea is in many ways unique. It shows a remarkable historical short-sightedness, ignorance of the fish and fishing in the inland sea, inability to understand the scientific advice of the International Council for the Exploration of the Sea (ICES) and - perhaps most of all: the ministers are bending the laws that regulate fishing, ecosystems and the marine environment to the limit.”

https://balticwaters.org/en/baltic-sea-brief-60-the-final-he...

bjelkeman-again 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The world reached peak fish catch in the mid-90s. [1] And we now eat more grown fish than caught fish. The problem is that with increased acidity in the oceans, as part of the ocean absorbing mor CO2, we get less algae and eventually less fish. [2] But, yeah, let’s keep fishing until the stocks collapse. [3] They take a very very long time to recover.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/capture-fisheries-vs-aqua...

[2] https://www.ioc.unesco.org/en/articles/ocean-acidification-t...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_north...

ElFitz 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

What makes it even more ridiculous is that one could think grown fish are a fine solution over-fishing.

But it turns out, many fish farms use caught fish for (part of) the fishmeal and fish oil used to feed the fish they grow. Because many fish we eat turn out to be pescetarian.

epolanski 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Nobody is going to be elected telling people the harsh truth: that we consume far too much than the planet can sustain.

Farmers and fishers on top of that will always get cross partizan sympathy.

People just don't want to hear that the way they eat impacts and stresses the planet beyond its limits and that the producers of food get in any way penalized.

Truth is that we desperately need carbon taxes asap, to at least slow down the planet destruction. But it will never be popular.

ASalazarMX 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

The problem is multifaceted, because we're not only aren't told the truth, we are told lies that make things even worse, and people seem to like those.

For example, overpopulation has been a concern for many decades, yet politicians that ignore the problem, or actually advocate for more population, somehow keep getting elected. Either democracy has broken beyond repair, or humanity averages to dumb. I'm inclined to the latter, because I believe that every individual, even if they can do smart things, is very dumb in other things.

alephnerd 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

> overpopulation has been a concern for many decades, yet politicians that ignore the problem, or actually advocate for more population, somehow keep getting elected

Most societies have reached a point where fertility rates have declined to below replacement.

arjie 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The numbers in question are quite wild[0]

> The NOAA assessment estimated the Pacific sardine biomass will be at 27,547 metric tons by the summer – significantly less than the 150,000 metric tons needed to reopen the fishery to commercial fishing. Any fishery at less than 50,000 metric tons is considered to be overfished. The assessment estimates the sardine biomass was around 1.8 million metric tons in 2006.

Haha, damn. Fishermen must have visibly noticed such a decline. 1,800,000 metric tons to 27,000 metric tons. Two orders of magnitude. Wow.

0: https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/environment-sustainabilit...

darth_avocado 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The oceans are depleted. And some countries with shadow fleets are to blame more than the others. But somehow it’s not even a small priority for most countries. Whales are dying because they are malnourished and that is an indicator that there’s barely anything left. The idea that international waters are available for anyone and everyone to exploit is just wild.

darksaints 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Canned sardines have been a staple of my diet since I was in the womb. I can’t wait for this trend to die off, it has been so difficult to find them lately. I mean I understand all of the reasons for it, and I can at least appreciate that sardines are the most sustainable form of fishery we have, but goddamn it is super frustrating.

stevenwoo 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

I haven’t noticed this at my local Costco in Northern California (plenty in stock this week) but maybe I will next week with this making the news. I usually wait to stock up when it goes on sale but I only eat two cans a week.

BugsJustFindMe 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where can't you find them?

All of my local supermarkets in the US have a million cans of sardines from a dozen different brands each, ranging from like $1.50/can for e.g. Goya in soybean oil[0] to like $7/can for very fancy ones, with the average around $4.50/can for ones in olive oil. They're not gone, just more expensive than last year for nice ones.

[0] - sardines come packed in your choice of water, soybean oil, olive oil, extra virgin olive oil, tomato sauce, or louisiana-style hot sauce with additional selection choices of containing herbs or hot peppers or olives, and olive oil ones always cost more than water or soybean oil ones for obvious reasons

johnnyApplePRNG 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yea this article is trash. I can find canned sardines anywhere in Canada here right now. They're in stock on Amazon.ca for goodness sake.

embwbam 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Where are you? I am in BC and can’t find them in grocery stores

infamouscow 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

TFA explains why sardines sourced from around USA, Spain, Portugal, and Morocco are harder to come by.

Where are your sardines be sourced?

BugsJustFindMe 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

Looking in my cupboard right now:

Goya: Spain

Bela: Portugal

Crown Prince: Morocco

Bar Harbor: Latvia

Brunswick: Latvia

King Oscar: Norway

carabiner 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In US I haven't seen them for months at Trader Joe's. Usually they stock 3 different kinds.

rootusrootus 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Could be regional, or something specific to TJs. My local Fred Meyer in Oregon has plenty of availability right now. Though the prices are a little bit inflated.

pimlottc 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I literally just left a Trader Joe’s and I couldn’t find a single tin

ajsnigrutin 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Same here in slovenia, from fancy one to cheap store brand ones. No fads here

leoc 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Plenty in Ireland as well. The craze certainly seems to be more subdued here, though some of the posh delis in Dublin seem to be riding the wave. ( https://www.reddit.com/r/CannedSardines/comments/1o9dhlg/any... , for any Dublin tin-hunters.)

TrackerFF 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just came from a 2 week vacation in Portugal, they even had their own fancy (and very colorful) shops where they only sold canned sardines. Never seen such a range of products.

elorant 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can find them just fine in Greece. Imported from Portugal or Morocco, plus some local brands.

WillAdams 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My grandfather lived in a time when commercial hunting went from viable to being outlawed --- I was worried that my children might live in a time when commercial fishing ceases to be tenable, but now that seems a near certainty.

Consider that we now have more tons of ships in the sea than there are bony fish:

https://what-if.xkcd.com/33/

jmyeet 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So I've been thinking about this. It's more general than social media and sardines.

There are now areas of the world with overtourism. Santorini, arguably Venice, Machu Pichu and maybe even Barcelona have more tourists than they can support. It's becoming a huge problem. Why is this the case? It's in part because people have disposable income to visit these places but I think there's a larger issue of why people want to visit these places. I think there's a FOMO element and the idea is pushed by social media in particular and media in general.

As another example, I blame at least in part the crazy NYC rent situation on Sex and the City, particularly on rents in the West Village. If you've lived in NYC you know there's so many SATC girlies living out their NYC dreams and not all of them have trust funds. You see this reflected in rents too. One side of 14th Street is Chelsea. The other side is the West Village. Rents on the Chelsea side are significantly lower than the other side because people want to be able to say they live in the West Village.

On a smaller scale you see this where people seem to view themselves as the main character in a movie or TV show and they're living out these scenes in their heads, typically to video and post online. They can be really inconsiderate about it too. Like just today I saw a video that someone in a public beach "dared" go in the water while someone was trying to get a photo of themselves and that other person got in frame. It really is main character syndrome [1].

I think what made a lot of things good in the past was lack of information (and the resultant FOMO). You've seen this in food trends too when Omega-3 became big and fish stocks suffered or when palm oil became big and that's a big problem.

Interestingly, China has a system to try and prevent everyone flocking to one or two cities ("hukou") and it's hard not to see the argument for this.

I have several triggers when I'm doomscrolling. One of the worst is when someone says "I'm trying the viral (restaurant, dish, bakery, bar, whatever)..." I've always hated this because whatever it is is never worth it. But the psychology of people wanting to show off this way is fascinating. It really feels like people's lives are that empty that they just want that external validation.

[1]: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-to-know-about-main-c...

tayo42 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Millions of people are doing 3 day sardine and coffee diets for weight loss?

People will believe anything.