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This specific study sounds relatively benign, but generative models for DNA sequences sounds like an incredibly dangerous technology to develop. If someone were to reproduce their study while including animal viruses in the training data, what would it be capable of? And what about after a few years of progress? Their phages have only 5400 base pairs, but the hepatitis virus has around 3000, and ebola only had ~19,000. That doesn't mean making a novel lethal virus is easy, but if anyone pulls it off, it would make Covid look like a picnic. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I have been diving into / reading up this area lately. A few quick notes. Worth specifying that these were hand selected candidates. Out of these human selected ones, 5% were successful.
"picked the most promising 302 AI designs" out of a n that isn't mentioned in this article.Based on my quick reading, it feels like the BBC left out a ton of context that makes this work feel more novel than it is. There's a ton of prior art here (including some from the same team) For example, older iterations of the same model family were used to generate novel genes and proteins. Including anti-CRISPR proteins that were tested against phages. That work is honestly more interesting. From, "Semantic design of functional de novo genes from a genomic language model," https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09749-7
Also the same project has been covered before.Prior pre-publication / release from 2025 called "AI-Designed Phages," the piece is really well written and I recommend reading it, https://www.asimov.press/p/ai-phages edit - as flobosg notes one of them describes the model, "Genome modelling and design across all domains of life with Evo 2," March 2026, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-026-10176-5 pre-print of the asimov press piece, "Generative design of novel bacteriophages with genome language models," September 2025, https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.09.12.675911v1 All research comes from somewhere. There's an entire sub-field / world here that goes back decades at this point. Leon Chan refactored a bacteriophage by hand in 2005 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1038/msb4100025 The first synthetic organism was Venter's mycoplasma laboratorium / Synthia in 2010. The first organism to be synthetically assembled (not designed, but assembled ikea style) was a phage in 2003 also by Venter & co. In 2021 another team made entities that can "find and combine building blocks into self-copies," Kinematic self-replication in reconfigurable organisms https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8670470/ From 2019 / 2020, algorithmically designed synthetic life / "xenobots", https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/science/xenobots-robots-f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenobot Or, "Team builds first living robots—that can reproduce" https://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robot... , 2021 Zurich in 2019, https://web.archive.org/web/20191008040536/https://www.eurek... And if you expand computing to include molecular processes for genes, then there's stuff like PACE that uses phages as a process, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage-assisted_continuous_evol... (final edit - thanks flobosg!) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I asked a family member biologist about concerns over open weight models helping to create bioweapons: I can imagine a situation where a bio weapon pathogen could potentially be engineered to evade the immune system by creating a pathogen that is both extremely virulent and has a rapid mutation rate. Rapid mutation rates make it difficult to create an effective vaccine and also difficult for the immune system to learn to recognize the pathogen. But whether open weight AI models can allow people to create such bioweapons - it does seem far-fetched to me. I think it's far-fetched because biological systems contain so many elements that we don't even know about, do not exist in any data set, and so they could not be included in the model. In order for a pathogen to be successful, there are a number of environmental barriers that it has to endure in order to reach the host, survive in the host, proliferate in the host, and damage the host. Environmental barriers outside the host and inside the host. I know that AI can be used to design genes to encode synthetic proteins. So could an open weight AI model result in the creation of genes that encode harmful proteins and then bioengineer pathogen to produce the proteins. But there are so many unknowns that can affect whether this pathogen can survive at all. So I would say from my limited knowledge, I would say it's far-fetched. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The publication: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aec2657 It is paywalled, but this seems to be the corresponding preprint: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.09.12.675911v1.... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Anyone else assume this was about computer viruses and exploits... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Now it just sticks to using the old ones? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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A-choo Intelligence! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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It's a bit worrying how easy it would be for a bad actor to make a new anti human virus. I guess it's good that we can churn out MRNA vaccines pretty quickly these days if needed. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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