| ▲ | a_bonobo 6 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
>On my visits to the Bay Area, I would ask AI researchers or interns why they are doing their current research or projects, when in a year or three agentic LLMs could probably do them; This is such a weird point to make that doesn't become correct just because everyone makes it, all the time. Why clean the ocean if some magic future tech will clean them? Why save the world now if some benevolent AI is 'just around the corner' and will do it for us? And people have been making this point for years now, and it's not like my job got any easier. I just got more AI. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/51294/waiting-for-the... And I say that as someone who uses Claude Code in complex environments almost hourly; I, as the human, still have to do the thinking as Claude still 'can't jump' [1] and I have seen no evidence that they (or similar AI, any time soon) will 'jump' like a human brain does. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | germandiago an hour ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> This is such a weird point to make I think it is a great point to make, because if everyone really believed that AIs will do everything without human intervention in a handful of years, as the marketing repeats again and again (AGI, singularity, etc.) and have been saying for years... why then get bothered? Because we DO know LLMs have their hallucinations, limitations, perform tasks not previously seen way worse than humans, etc. And it seems that, for now, there is not a good or magic solution to it, it is inherent limitations of the paradigm. Yes, you can feed more and more and more (curated data) and eventually make AIs excellent at task X or Y, but then you spend your time specializing those engines. So the work does not really disappear, it just shifts and you make it more replicable for a bound set of problems. Needless to say that at some point I prefer to learn (and combine with AIs, it is ok) than acritically getting inputs from something until I become totally useless. Unless we have a paradigm for which a fully autonomous AI can do everything, this will just become improving our productivity in some ways, with all the in-between bottlenecks that it has. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | decimalenough 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think you meant to post this in response to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49174900? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | pjmlp 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Robot powered factories still have humans there, the gist is that they are a tiny fraction of what a classical factory would require 50 years ago. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | DrewADesign 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Same reason some think preserving the environment is pointless because the believers will ascend to heaven, either way. It’s a religion. It’s dogmatic nihilism. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | bwhiting2356 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
A fully automated utopia isn't just going to happen. Even with frontier models, the integrations, the evals, the UX, need a lot of work and someone needs to do it. After I've automated this thing I'll move on to the next task, this is what it means to be a software engineer. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | fhub 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> I, as the human, still have to do the thinking as Claude still 'can't jump' I still have to do quite a bit of thinking but the amount of of thinking I do per task is trending down. I agree LLMs are not good at abduction but very few humans are either and very few jobs/tasks require it. I can't talk for researchers jobs though. But perhaps fewer researchers would be desired by these labs (not none). | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | guybedo 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
although, if i'm out of tokens and have to wait a full day, i won't bother doing some things manually because the day i'll spend doing something won't take more than 1 hour the next day when tokens are available again. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | sevenzero an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Also people tend to forget that LLMs still just work on compressed data... Where are the MAJOR breakthroughs? Where is all the "crazy" AI output going? Software seemed to degrade in quality a lot in the recent years. All "improvements" LLMs go through are simply improvements on how to burn more tokens out of my pockets given that Claude now want an actual browser extension to "visually" confirm small changes every time I use it for UI. They are still just data parrots. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | skew-aberration 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
AI has made 'jumps' in demanding fields like leading mathematical research and has made advancements in AI research itself. Is now a good time to start a maths career? Is there a field of research (yours?) which is inherently (more) AI proof? Btw, I think the discussion of Einstein's career in the paper you link is historically wrong in many respects, particularly the argument about 'weak signal'. Einstein was in fact working on some of the most mainstream and widely discussed problems in physics of the day, he is admired for the creativity of his solutions to those problems, and much of his work built incrementally on ideas and breakthroughs that came (long) before (as all research does). Article suggests that a central motivation of Einstein's work was resolving action-at-a-distance in Newtonian mechanics - yet Maxwell introduced the same Lagrangian field theories for electromagnetism we use today 50 years earlier to solve the same problem for Farraday's laws of electromagnetism. Similar wave equations existed even earlier. Heaviside in 1893 extended this technique to gravity (matching 'weak field' GR) 20 years earlier. So this is perhaps the one aspect of gravity that had actually already been solved before Einstein. Authors might be conflating his work on action-at-a-distance in QM. Einstein's GR extended the linear 'weak field' understanding of gravity to include the non-linear self-referential case where masses themselves create gravity. This was mathematically incredibly difficult but was necessary precisely because SR's mass energy equivalence created so many strong signals that were unresolved. For example: if finite energy is mass, then mass changes as objects accelerate past a large mass like a start, and hence their propagation in space could not be explained by linear EM style field equations. Many such considerations were causing very 'strong signals' in SR, and there were analogous problems in QM atomic models being developed at the same time. SR was also a solution to a problem that was actively being worked by many of the leading physicists of the day. SR actually does match Newtonian mechanics for a single observer - it resolves contradictions in the case of separate observers, by allowing them to assign different values to the speeds, masses, etc of objects such that each object appears to follow Newtonian mechanics for each observer. Again, this was necessary because of a lot of contradictions related to the behavior of light that had been well-known for ~20 years at the time. Personally, I don't consider this kind of reasoning to be beyond the capabilities of future LLMs (even current LLMs if the task was broken into technical rather than philosophical problems). Personally, I doubt that such problems could stand open for 20+ years waiting for a creative genius to solve them in the modern world. And don't get me started on the philosophy. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | saghm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It also seems kinda tone deaf. If someone basically told me I was wasting my time and asked what I would do in the future, I would not bother giving them a particularly thoughtful answer because trying to spend effort justifying my life choices to them would be the actual waste of time. What kind of answers were they expecting to get? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | paul7986 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
By trade I'm a UX Researcher/Designer who designs in code (HTML/CSS) and have done so since 2009. Recently I vibe coded an entire python app with a database and each time I didnt know what to do I would just feed screenshots to Gemini or Codex for guidance (i think i could share my screen with Codex and it can guide me via a voice conversation). I know I could follow up and build a companion iPhone and Android app using these tools. Overall, I'd like to understand those who have a positive outlook on design and software engineering as a career. Where do you see the opportunity where I just see a bleak one where anyone can do this stuff by typing or talking to AI? Myself, after 17 years in the field I am begrudingly back in school for a new medical career. As well, anytime an IT recruiter reaches out I am getting responses back only after under-cutting the hourly rate I use to demand and what others probably are still trying to get. And with it feels even bleaker as it becomes a race to the bottom! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | antonvs 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It reminds me of Richard Hamming’s notorious question. I like the summary at https://bestjelly.substack.com/p/hamming-questions (which starts out with a quote from another site): > > Mathematician Richard Hamming used to ask scientists in other fields "What are the most important problems in your field?" partly so he could troll them by asking "Why aren't you working on them?" and partly because getting asked this question is really useful for focusing people's attention on what matters. > I imagine someone being asked this question, and how they should respond. I think like so - ‘Fuck off Richard’. > This is partly because I imagine this question being asked in a kind of snarky, gotcha kind of way, with some sort of nerdy superiority. Like ‘ha your behaviour is inconsistent with your implied preferences, you idiot, do you even von Neumann–Morgenstern?’ | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | esafak 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Also, if you believe your well-paying job is eventually going to be automated you would be prudent to bank the money while you prepare for the future. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||