| ▲ | epistasis an hour ago |
| This is my experience with all Microsoft software. The worst thought out, buggy, untested pile of crap. There's something seriously wrong in Redmond. At least with linux, you can search on the web and find a forum post telling you the magic incantation. With Microsoft, you will be forced to consume some second-rate engineer's unmanaged, barely workable, edge case until it might or might not work. Office on the web is a horror show this way. |
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| ▲ | everdrive 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| >With Microsoft, you will be forced to consume some second-rate engineer's unmanaged, Or, you'll find the official Microsoft documentation, but will just be out of date, or wrong, or otherwise will not reflect the actual Microsoft product in front of you. It's baffling that people say Linux is hard when I never need to work so hard to get basic things to work as I do with a normal Microsoft product. |
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| ▲ | r_lee an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Azure is also such a mess. 10 redirects to get to the portal, when creating an account/etc. if you do one thing wrong it might just disappear from a tenant or not bind properly or something and then you gotta do it all over again (happened last year) I just don't know how this is possible, why is everything so broken? |
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| ▲ | eterm 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | And the official auth URLs are always such random crap that I'm surprised people don't get phished left right and centre. | |
| ▲ | taosx an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | No owners, no responsability, no incentive to fix it. Ticket grabbers and checklist markers. |
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| ▲ | keiferski an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It is strange to me that people are re-discovering this today, in 2026. Microsoft has always been half-baked, even in the 80s and 90s. Heck, my parents basically raised me (20+ years ago) by running a business fixing problems with Microsoft products for their clients. |
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| ▲ | epistasis 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I was able to take a 25 year break from Microsoft, from 2000 to 2025. Yet I was drawn back in because my son wanted to play Minecraft. This was the worst account process of any system ever invented, as far as I can tell. Plus in 2025 I had some interesting clients that are large corporations that use Microsoft as their core IT practice. The escape to the relative simplicity and consistency of AWS interfaces, from MS land, was the best part of the IT experience with that client. (With how much I've moaned and complained about AWS over the years, that last sentence is the most damning thing I can possibly say about Microsoft's products.) | |
| ▲ | marcosdumay 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Since some time around 2024, the problems started to grow way more numerous than they already were; the workarounds started to be disallowed; and more broken software started to be pushed as necessary for basic functionality. People were adapted to a certain level of breakage, but are seeing a different one. Last time I remember them doing something similar was on the last days of XP / earlier Vista time. But it wasn't so bad at the time. | |
| ▲ | f6v 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I guess it’s surprising because how ubiquitous their products are. You’d expect them to be of better quality considering everyone is using MS software one way or another. | | |
| ▲ | VeninVidiaVicii 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I suppose the argument is in reverse. They are so ubiquitous, they don’t really have to be good anymore to capture the market. | | |
| ▲ | gh02t 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | And they got that position of dominance more via shady deals and sketchy practices than by producing excellent software. Microsoft has done some good engineering, but that's not what made them what they are. | |
| ▲ | doctorpangloss 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I haven't opened Office in years. |
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| ▲ | keiferski 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >considering everyone is using MS software one way or another. I don't think I've used a MS product in at least a decade. At least that I was aware of. Edit: did some research and I have used LinkedIn. Other than that, nothing. | |
| ▲ | ankurdhama 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Product quality has nothing to do with ubiquity. Its all about shady business deals that locks you into products where the migration cost is much higher. | |
| ▲ | TacticalCoder 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > ... considering everyone is using MS software one way or another. This used to be the case when Apple was in dire straits and MS abused their monopoly position to gain 95% of browsers market share. Grim days. But those days are thankfully long done and there are plenty of people who are completely Microsoft-free. The one thing people are using one way or another is Linux, because it's now in just about everything. Even those in the Apple ecosystem, with an iPhone and Mac computers, very probably have a Linux router and Linux TV at home. The number of devices in the world running one version of Linux or another outnumber Windows devices by something like 10 to 1. Maybe more. Microsoft is a despicable company producing turds since forever. I hate them and the crap they produce with a passion since the DOS days. As the saying goes: the day Microsoft shall produce something that doesn't suck is the day they'll start selling vacuum cleaners. |
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| ▲ | ecshafer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is why Microsoft is good, there is an entire industry around fixing their nonsense. They are being a job creator! | |
| ▲ | wing-_-nuts an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I remember windows 2000 being pretty rock solid. I used it as my gaming os for years while folks struggled with windows me and windows xp (IIRC, xp did eventually become pretty good) | | |
| ▲ | fireflash38 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | XP and 7 were only good because it was based off of 2000/NT. | | |
| ▲ | buran77 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Literally everything that came after Windows Me both in the consumer and server space is based on NT, to this day. So I'm not sure this argument weighs much. P.S. My personal opinion is that Windows could be a great OS but MS keeps intentionally saddling it with more and more shit in the name of getting more from the user, instead of giving more to the user. | | |
| ▲ | aeyes 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The kernel is solid, its all the userspace software where they are fumbling hard. |
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| ▲ | aleph_minus_one 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I remember windows 2000 being pretty rock solid. Windows NT (including Windows 2000) was considered to be a workstation OS by Microsoft. From Windows XP on, the NT-based Windows operating systems (except for the server ones) were targeted to consumers. |
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| ▲ | artemonster a few seconds ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | microslop before invention of slop | |
| ▲ | bigstrat2003 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | That isn't true. Microsoft has made some genuinely good software over the years. |
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| ▲ | mawadev an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You know whats the cherry on top? I got it working today and you have to download the actual halo 1 campaign as a DLC from inside or outside the MCC game. Even if I got it working yesterday, I'd have to wait for another download. What the 30GB MCC does initially is still a mystery to me. |
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| ▲ | tavavex 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I looked into it and apparently just the launcher itself is 16GB because it's filled to the brim with extremely oversized videos and sound files, on top of an already overweight base. All this is supposed to be the peak of game dev prowess. We've had like 50 years of game dev just to evolve to this. It's not just huge launchers - almost everything AAA that's made today feels like it was designed to appear flashy at first glance in some meeting for people who have no idea what they're looking at, while performance, technical features, and the most basic user experience considerations are thrown out of the window. | | |
| ▲ | mawadev 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I mean yeah, just wait until you hear about Ark survival ascended: A game with a single 188gb ucas file extracts itself during update, taking over 400gb just to patch 2gb and then rezips itself. |
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| ▲ | 0x3444ac53 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The bad part is that Microsoft (generally) used to have some of the best QA in the industry, and that was somewhat extended to Xbox. But they laid off their QA team a year or two ago because "AI will change everything!" |
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| ▲ | vezycash 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >The bad part is that Microsoft (generally) used to have some of the best QA in the industry Blame Satya Nadella. He fired testers and turned customers to helpless beta testers. | |
| ▲ | tempfile an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | This definitely does not extend to games. I remember microsoft games having terrible UX over a decade ago (not the game, the account garbage around it). |
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| ▲ | Lord-Jobo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s like they dump “bad at programming and don’t care about it” juice right into the water supply. |
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| ▲ | dartharva an hour ago | parent [-] | | All problems with Microsoft products are design and intent problems, not engineering. | | |
| ▲ | bitmasher9 an hour ago | parent [-] | | The design and intent are bad, but let’s not discount the large amount of bad engineering too. | | |
| ▲ | epistasis 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | If an engineer executes on bad intent and design goals and builds a bad bridge, that's also a bad engineer. Engineers are not serfs, they have enough income and agency to be responsible for the fruits of their labor. | |
| ▲ | 0cf8612b2e1e 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is some brotherhood of coders who will not acknowledge programmers are anything less than perfect. All bugs and errors are the fault of project managers. |
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| ▲ | reaperducer an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This is my experience with all Microsoft software. The worst thought out, buggy, untested pile of crap. When you try to save a short-term buck by offshoring your workforce, you end up with long-term problems and brand damage. And now vibe coding is the new offshoring, so we can make things worse at scale! |
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| ▲ | bitmasher9 an hour ago | parent [-] | | When did the offshoring happen, because Microsoft has been bad for a long time. Even in the 90s there were so many BSODs. | | |
| ▲ | pferde an hour ago | parent [-] | | Well, the classic BSODs were not all Microsoft's fault, many of them were on 3rd party driver developers. I think the worse thing here is all the subtle breakages and inconsistencies in Windows, as well as in the MS Office suite of products, constant redesigns of things that worked, adding layers upon layers of "make-up" on top that obscures functionality, etc etc. | | |
| ▲ | bitmasher9 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think “The Operating System is fundamentally Unstable” is a much bigger problem than “First party applications are redesigned too frequently.” |
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