| ▲ | The Lost Civic Life of Movie Rental Stores(thereader.mitpress.mit.edu) |
| 53 points by facundo_olano 3 hours ago | 79 comments |
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| ▲ | steveBK123 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The end of interest-based 3rd places is one of the many things contributing to the compartmentalization / socioeconomic bubble of modern society. People used to frequent in person things like specialty retailers, arcades, hobby clubs, religious groups, etc. When you meet real life people in person based on shared interests, you make connections across socioeconomic groups. I just don't see nearly as much of this in todays society as 20+ years ago. People with kids sometimes experience this via all the activities they take their kids to, but even there a lot of kids activities have become economically stratified. Instead of playing in the local $50/year rec baseball league, there's tiers of travel teams to meet any budget. |
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| ▲ | afavour 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > People with kids sometimes experience this via all the activities they take their kids to This is something welcome I didn’t expect to come from parenthood. Like many others I had thought to myself “how do you even make new friends in your thirties?!” and then once I had kids… bam. New friendship groups. For us the local park and playground are a great equalizer in terms of economic stratification. But when the weather turns bad it rears its head again as people head to $50 a go trampoline parks and the like. Public school is another unifier, of course. I’m in NYC and our preschool was very obviously not a reflection of the neighborhood or city around us. But once my kids entered the city-funded Pre-K they started to meet a ton of kids from different backgrounds. It’s very different from the childhood I had but I’m very glad my kids have it. | | |
| ▲ | pstuart an hour ago | parent [-] | | I kind of experienced that but the relationships were more superficial than I'd have liked. If the "shared interest" is happy kids together it doesn't directly translate to the adults shared interests. But then again, maybe it was just me being me. |
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| ▲ | 01284a7e 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Putnam's "Bowling Alone" (2000) is about this, and it is something that has been in decline since the 1950s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_Alone. | |
| ▲ | brightball an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yea, agreed completely here. I spent so many hours at our local mall with my friends growing up. It had an arcade, a movie theater, book store, game store, place to eat. Our parents could just drop us there for hours. Skating rinks and bowling alleys were also a solid option. It's one of the things that make it worth the time investment to follow sports, even if you're typically not interested in it. Getting people together to watch the game, go to games, tailgate, etc is huge. | |
| ▲ | Cthulhu_ an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The internet has largely replaced / substituted this, which has been a mixed thing. Like minded people in smaller niches have been able to find each other online for example, much more than IRL, and much more at long range / internationally. It's made the world a smaller place, at the cost of knowing people closer to home. | | |
| ▲ | jimbokun 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s been a disaster. It sounds good in principle. And I was very excited when discovering the Internet (Usenet) and a place to discuss all my geeky interests with many similar minded people. However, now that the Internet has so overpowered in person relationships across the board, the cost in mental health, anxiety and general unhappiness is staggering. | | | |
| ▲ | steveBK123 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think its made relationships more short term and superficial. We may recognize a handle on a forum, but most of the time we don't know anything about the other person other than a narrow part of their interests. | | |
| ▲ | foobarian 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I sometimes wonder if it was all worth it. What if we banned/rolled back the internet? Would we go back to more small-town-like community, and again have the nerd minority who "can't wait to get out of this place?" It feels like the current tech landscape is a reaction to that environment. | | |
| ▲ | jimbokun 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I would. And I’m the nerd minority who “couldn’t wait to get out of this place.” Now, I would still go to a big city where I could find people with similar interests. But the cost to society of all the Internet has wrought has been far too high. |
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| ▲ | Taikonerd 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So many people are nostalgic for these kind of interest-based stores that there's a whole subgenre of simulation games. For video stores, there's Retro Rewind: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3552140/Retro_Rewind__Vid... There are also games like that for trading-card stores, video arcades, and record stores. (I'm probably going to buy the record store one, "Wax Heads." Being a music-genre nerd and recommending bands to people is a fantasy that I was born 10 years too late to do in real life.) |
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| ▲ | bix6 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| More housing and fewer spaces for gathering seems to be the trend. Any open space near me became condos or protected habitat space (can’t even walk in because people trash it). There are practically no town squares. Parks are all gated by HOAs. Even the beach is encroached on by housing which means there isn’t enough parking. Where are people supposed to gather now and just enjoy the day? I see libraries, coffee shops, bars, parks, and beaches as the main zones. Not bad but there aren’t enough (or enough time to enjoy them). |
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| ▲ | pseingatl 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Libraries are daycare for the homeless. At one city's public library, one of the librarians was mopping up vomit and was heard to comment, "I didn't go to library school for this." Washrooms double as a place to shower, reading rooms a place to sleep. | | |
| ▲ | tomjakubowski 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Somewhat to my surprise, given its proximity to skid row and downtown's general trend since Covid, in my experience the LA Central Library usually has few visibly homeless people inside. I work remotely and live nearby and walk there every now and then to work outside the home. Almost everyone I see hanging out in the study table areas seem to be students or remote workers. The few homeless people I have seen at the library keep to themselves and often are reading quietly like any other patron. | |
| ▲ | calvinmorrison 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | libraries are also just daycares for... kids. My library (which is on my block) is only open a few hours week in which gainfully employed adults would be able to go. The rest is geared to grannies and kids | | |
| ▲ | tomjakubowski 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It grinds my gears a bit when "works 9-5 in an office" is equated with "gainfully employed". There are lots of working people who have free time during these hours: restaurant and retail workers, hospital nurses and doctors, firefighters and EMTs, artists and artisans, YouTubers and professional HN posters, actors and circus performers, authors and architects, homemakers and remote office workers, and so on. | |
| ▲ | tartoran 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think it's great for kids to grow up amongst books. As for the homeless, it's fine if they don't stink and use the library for what it is, a place to read books or possibly go online. Any other behavior should not be tolerated. | |
| ▲ | jimbokun 28 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | That is a very good thing. Kids desperately need third spaces too. |
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| ▲ | panzagl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Article should be titled 'The Lost Civic Life of Mom and Pop Stores'- no kid making $4.50 an hour is cultivating a third space atmosphere at Blockbuster, whereas any Mom and Pop place can do that, no matter what they sell. |
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| ▲ | steveBK123 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I was thinking about the loss of local shops a lot recently. There's definitely a confluence of factors at play, and it's not just price economics vs online & big box. One thing I think is that theres just never enough time. Everyone is so over-scheduled. The white collar work day really has expanded vs what I remember my dad doing 30-40 years ago. There's more two income households than in the past. Parenting is far more active for both parents than it's ever been, and kids are being shuttled between events all weekend. Most local shops are not open past 5pm or at best 6pm, and often closed Sunday. Who is off work by then to stop by? Easier to click buy on amazon, and stop by the big box store after dinner Saturday open til 9pm for anything you need sooner. | | |
| ▲ | bix6 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Was just talking with an older colleague about this. Work used to end Friday afternoon. The amount of emails I get (and send) over the weekend means there is truly never any off time. | | |
| ▲ | liveoneggs 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | reading and responding to those on the weekend is your choice | | |
| ▲ | bix6 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah that’s a privileged point of view. You lose clients if you aren’t responsive enough. | | |
| ▲ | blitzar an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah that’s a privileged point of view. You lose your job if you aren’t responsive enough. |
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| ▲ | afavour 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It isn’t, really. If it’s the expected norm in your job then there’s a real chance you’ll lose your job if you don’t do it. And particularly the kind of jobs market we see today that’s a real risk. |
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| ▲ | threetonesun 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think that's really what we've lost. Blockbuster was a third space not because of its staff, but because it was a place you could say "meet me here" and hang out looking at movies with no (or very little) expected monetary output. Same as arcades in the mall, or cheap matinee movies. A better framing might be where would a teenager, today, say "meet me here" to their friends. I think you'll find there's many fewer around you today than there was 20 years ago. | | |
| ▲ | everforward an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | That doesn’t match my experience if your bar is really as low as “won’t throw you out for not buying anything”. Obvious anecdata, but within an easy walk or bike radius of me (a couple miles) there are 3 public libraries, something like half a square mile of parks, a few public basketball courts, a few public tennis courts, a public baseball field, a bar over the baseball field that welcomes children (it’s one of the veterans things and has board games and what not), at least a dozen other businesses that don’t care if you buy anything, and your usual litany of Walmart kind of places that can’t be bothered to track who is buying and who isn’t. I don’t have any issues finding places to hang out for free, and I use them, but they’re pretty sparsely used so it’s not as 3rd space as it used to be. Eg I walk my dogs most mornings, and I rarely see more than 1 other person at the park or dog park at 7 or 8am. It feels to me like 3rd spaces are disappearing because people don’t use them, rather than people don’t use them because they don’t exist. | | |
| ▲ | pseingatl 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Consider yourself very lucky if your public libraries are not daycare for the homeless. |
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| ▲ | pseingatl 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We are unfair to teenagers today; give them no place to go and then we feign surprise when they act up. According to Harper's, there's a 20% decline in kids playing baseball--their noses are in their iPads. You can't take children to the mall because malls are dying. Too many parks are places where bad things happen. I don't know what the solution is. | |
| ▲ | pimlottc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Definitely, and renting a video itself was often a communal activity. You'd be hanging out with your friends or family and get the hankering to see a movie, so you all pile in the car together and see what they had. You'd argue back and forth about this movie or that movie, and you had to be flexible since your first pick might not be in stock. Strangers would give you suggestions or you'd see what was recommended by the staff. Lots of times you'd end up taking up something completely different than what you had planned. | |
| ▲ | triceratops an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Malls still exist. As do public libraries, community rec centers, gyms, and pools. | | |
| ▲ | pseingatl 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Malls are dying. Many are closed. Public libraries are daycare for the homeless and parents are afraid to leave their children. Your other options may be well-run, but all suffer from a lack of funding and staffing. Pools aren't a year-round thing, even in the South. | |
| ▲ | autoexec an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Malls have been in decline for decades. Public pools barely exist anymore either. (https://www.poolmagazine.com/pool-news/america-is-losing-pub...). If you're in a wealthy city you probably still have a decent community center. Libraries are probably the most common space avilable, but they are also under constant attack by republicans. In wealthy cities you can find all kinds of services there. Smaller libraries will have some areas for reading and meeting. | | |
| ▲ | triceratops an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Malls have been in decline for decades People voted with their wallets. > public libraries are under constant attack by republicans Voters get the services they vote for. All of us are to blame. | | |
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| ▲ | threetonesun an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Malls barely exist, at least compared to the way they did 20 years ago. I wasn't arguing all third spaces are gone, but even of the ones you did note I'd bet in most communities their funding/availability has decreased in that time period. | | |
| ▲ | triceratops an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Malls barely exist, at least compared to the way they did 20 years ago Presumably because people spend less money there than they used to. > I'd bet in most communities their funding/availability has decreased in that time period. It's one of the tragedies of our age. The inability to fund anything for the common good. |
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| ▲ | msisk6 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Whenever I see these sorts of stories I think about the civic life we're missing out on by not socially gathering with our neighbors to hunt down woolly mammoths with sharp sticks so we don't all collectively starve to death. The way things are going maybe we'll get back to those wonderful days. ;) | | |
| ▲ | bix6 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sounds a lot more fun to me than sitting in front of a computer all day. | | |
| ▲ | Cthulhu_ an hour ago | parent [-] | | Availability and legality of wooly mammoths aside, what's stopping you? Pointy stick hunting sounds like a great weekend activity. | | |
| ▲ | criddell an hour ago | parent [-] | | A bunch of families in the town I grew up in bought a fairly large cabin together in northern Ontario they just called "the hunting camp". My family wasn't involved but I got to go up there quite a few times as a guest of my friends. In theory, the adults were hunting or fishing (although not with pointy sticks). In reality they were smoking, drinking, playing cards, screwing around on the little boat and atvs that were there (three wheelers!), and telling lies around a campfire. Us kids were pretty much on our own the entire time. We too were smoking, drinking, and screwing around on the boat and atvs. So I agree with you- pointy stick hunting is a great weekend activity. |
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| ▲ | pimlottc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Places don't need to be curated to have value as civic spaces, although it certainly helps. Seniors hang out at the local McDonalds, car modding enthusiasts gather in strip mall parking lots, singles meet at the dog park... Any place you have to physically go to provides a chance for social interaction. To debate your friends over what movie to pick, to comment on your neighbor's selections, to ask a clerk for a recommendation. Are these pretty slight? Sure, but life is made fuller by these minor brushes, and you never know which ones will unexpectedly bloom into something more. | |
| ▲ | liveoneggs 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | half the article is nostalgia for the blockbuster job |
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| ▲ | comrade1234 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just as long as you pretend to not notice your neighbor come out of the curtained room... |
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| ▲ | kstenerud 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > That same time-traveling video renter might find herself startled by the employee offering to recommend a movie, or by the knot of customers hanging out by the counter, shooting the breeze and discussing film. What universe is this person from? I must have missed it... |
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| ▲ | leftover-lambda 26 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The one where narrators have rose-colored glasses? The author does make an authentic point about bored/maladjusted clerks messing with customers. I had one fill in what was apparently my nickname in the message-of-the-day on a receipt, a mean slur about my appearance. Of course, that isn't unknown today, when a human processes a transaction which has been flagged. Take a closer look at Youtube video IDs sometime. (My ex and her friends did it to me on a real estate site, on the listing for a childhood home.) /shrug |
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| ▲ | abhayb 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I used to live under the guy that ran Lost Weekend on Valencia street. Held out till like 2014/2015. At the time I wasn't really sad about it but now I wish it was still around |
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| ▲ | brightball an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I talk about this all the time. The experience of going with your friends to Blockbuster or similar, walking around, browsing everything, deciding what you were renting then grabbing pizza made for some pretty memorable weekends. Just having everything listed on 50 different streaming platforms isn't the same experience. There are things we really lose with efficiency gains. |
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| ▲ | rdiddly an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I feel like this overstates the point a bit. The video store was always just a means to an end for me, the clerks always sullen, the process of agreeing on a movie always long & difficult. Maybe I missed out on the phenomenon he's talking about. |
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| ▲ | thebigspacefuck an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It seems like the library has more movies than my local video store ever did at this point. But you can’t really talk there, and they don’t show movies on the screen. Maybe they should set up a separate section to give more of a 90s Blockbuster vibe with a dedicated movie librarian, that would be fun. |
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| ▲ | kkylin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Where I live we still have a locally owned video rental store, though several years ago they put in a bar and now it's more a bar with a video section than a video store where you can get beer and watch movies. We do still rent when there's something we can't stream on one of the services we pay for; I much rather do that than give more $ to Amazon and the like. |
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| ▲ | pseingatl 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's weird when shops pivot. There was a record store in a neighboring village that went from vinyl to video game kiosks. Then the record store that became a candy store. Put couches in bookstores and people stop buying books. I guess they figure the rent is paid by benefactors. Then again, Barnes & Noble seems to have a partnership with Starbucks... |
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| ▲ | mirmor23 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| more romanticizing of the bygone era. late fees (due at midnight!), restocking fees, etc; some of these fees to the tune of a new dvd/vhs; good riddance. |
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| ▲ | tartoran 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > more romanticizing of the bygone era. late fees (due at midnight!), restocking fees, etc; some of these fees to the tune of a new dvd/vhs; good riddance Well, they were a business after all. And what's being romanticised is the civic experience of that bygone era. The modern experience sucks. It is devoid of any real human interaction. That is highly missing part in the modern landscape and it will only get worse. | |
| ▲ | billfor 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You forgot the $2 charge for rewinding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K97bkACYWLY | |
| ▲ | julienchastang 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's true and when the Netflix DVD service arrived, I thought it was really a situation where the consumer had finally won. (No late fees! Yay!). That said here in Boulder we had the Video Station which was a phenomenal place for browsing and discovery with a super knowledgeable staff especially for foreign and art house cinema. They survived for a surprisingly long time, but finally closed about ten years ago [0]. Not long ago, while cleaning out an old (manual transmission -- another artifact of a bygone era) car I found a Video Station receipt which I still have. Good times! [0] https://www.dailycamera.com/2017/02/27/the-video-station-bou... | | |
| ▲ | pseingatl 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Coral Gables, Fla had Lion Video. If Blockbuster carried it, Lion didn't: instead it was art house films, foreign films and lots of Spanish-language titles impossible to find elsewhere. One day the owner died and...that was it. | |
| ▲ | calvinmorrison 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Some things just need to survive the crash. We have THREE drive in movie theaters within an hour of here. All are doing well. One doesn't even have a digital projector, and they almost closed multiple times yes, but now there's a cult following around vintage flicks they play from horror to comedy. If you can survive long enough it seems like you can make it, if you work hard to build a social group around things like film or movies | | |
| ▲ | pseingatl 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Expensive motel rooms, a lack of housing and not renting rooms to teenagers or college students might have something to do with the continued longevity of this business. And don't forget that on weekends they become flea markets. |
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| ▲ | jjulius an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Every era can be romanticized, and every era has its downsides. Just today, I could ramble on about the ever-increasing costs of streaming services as they reduce their available catalogs, ads forced upon users who have purchased the "ad-free" streaming bundle, UI/UX patterns designed to make cancelling difficult, things you've "purchased" no longer being available to you because the service no longer carries that studio's titles, paying up to $24.99 to "rent" a movie on Amazon for a mere 48 hours, the endless cycle of a service starting out "great" only to be enshittified, etc. | | |
| ▲ | mirmor23 an hour ago | parent [-] | | you are right, but that does not negate the friction that people felt at the time. my experience is with netflix, and i never found issues canceling, and as a matter of principle, i do not subscribe to services unless there are no alternatives (e.g. i pay for amz shipping, my own email domain). compare canceling a service sitting at home to driving to the video store, depositing dvd/vhs, and still having to check if they 'accidentally' overcharged. today it's so simple afaict. |
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| ▲ | ghaff 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A bit cruel and there were probably some indie stores that were different but I remember video rentals as a place where you went in, grabbed a movie, and left. | | |
| ▲ | mirmor23 an hour ago | parent [-] | | the big city that i lived in back then only had blockbuster or hollywood so my comment was about them; besides indie video rentals didn't have those kind of fees so, i was not talking about them. besides why cruel? market dynamics change and many businesses just don't make it.. | | |
| ▲ | jjulius an hour ago | parent [-] | | Indie rental shops in many areas did, in fact, have those kinds of fees. |
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| ▲ | cube00 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This must be from a different era. In the 90s, people at our store used to stare at the shelves in silence. You certainly weren't striking up conversation with strangers there. The screaming and explosions from the movie trailers playing full blast on a non-stop loop throughout the store over the PA didn't help. |
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| ▲ | deadbabe 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Someone should make a coffee shop that is also like an old school rental place that has a few CRT TVs with VCRs around and people can take movies down from some shelf and pop them in and watch them on a communal couch. Very third place. |
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| ▲ | redwood an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Forever memorialized in Kevin Smith's Clerks |
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| ▲ | pixel_popping 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I admit it, I've never returned that DVD, found it behind a couch years later, only told my mom a decade later. |
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| ▲ | golemotron 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I wonder when we'll see articles on the lost civic life of social media? With increasing AI use, it is happening. |
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| ▲ | tripleee 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | that already happened. The early days of Facebook as a user were much different than what they became later on. | | |
| ▲ | reaperducer an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The early days of Facebook as a user were much different than what they became later on. Facebook jumped the shark when it eliminated customization and forced everyone to have the same personal page. "Pieces of Flair" and a thousand other ways to express yourself were extinguished, along with any actual "social" aspects of Facebook. | |
| ▲ | blitzar an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | early instagram vs influencer instagram ... early twitter vs whatever that shit is now ... the list is long ... you either disappear like tumblr or you stay up long enough to turn into a dumpster fire. |
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| ▲ | ghaff an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I used to do a lot of chit-chat with folks I knew on Twitter during the work day. After Musk largely torched it and a lot of people just decided they didn't need that kind of social media any longer, that channel largely went away. I use Facebook some but not the same and LinkedIn even less so. |
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| ▲ | awfawf an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| this article is trash.
the "how many angels dance on the head of a pin" of someone who had a TV for parents. |