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AI's top startups are barely publishing their research(science.org)
48 points by YeGoblynQueenne an hour ago | 35 comments
Aurornis 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The article is vague about the companies in the paper, for some reason.

In the paper, OpenAI is at the top of the chart for cumulative citations. MEGVII, Hugging Face, Waymo, Momenta, Preferred Netowkrs, Anthropic, Owkin, and Databricks, and Aibee follow (in that order). Yes, that is citations, not publications, but they explain that they're trying to use that as a proxy for significance, albeit an imperfect one.

Companies like Google aren't included because they aren't unicorn startups.

dominotw 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

databricks is a top ai startup?. i thought they did spark hosting or something.

what makes them a top ai startup

egonschiele 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As far as I can tell, the paper never actually mentions the companies who aren't publishing papers. Open AI, Anthropic, and hugging face are all specifically mentioned as companies that do publish papers. Just FYI for anyone else who reads "AI's top startups" and immediately assumes OpenAI and Anthropic.

KoolKat23 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Perhaps I'm imagining it but the entire industry was build on public research, this "AI wave" is at odds with that and seems to be driven by greed (although they'll claim some arms race or something to help themselves sleep at night).

There should be a new ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) policy being pushed recognizing the important role this plays. Although ESG and all norms have been set aside in this grim new world it seems.

Aurornis a minute ago | parent | next [-]

> Perhaps I'm imagining it but the entire industry was build on public research

There is some excellent publicly-funded research in there, but pivotal papers like Attention Is All You Need and the numerous pivotal OpenAI publications were privately funded.

OpenAI is at the top of the chart in the study.

I think you're bringing some assumptions into this conversation that aren't supported by the evidence.

cute_boi 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Forget publishing, companies like misanthropic are buying rare books and destroying it.

jsphweid 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

When they do this, are they buying a single copy of say Book A and destroying a single Book A copy? Or are they buying every copy they can find of Book A and destroying all of them?

ComputerPerson 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

Elon recently (2d) tweeted about making sure they preserve rare books and "scan them the hard way". That tweet launched a cultural wave of opposition regarding the debinding of rare books.

The discussion has been around, but it's flared significantly recently. Not sure if that's what the person you're responding to is specifically inflamed about.

Regardless, old/rare books are certainly being acquired and destroyed.

gowld 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

No, he didn't tweeted about "making sure" of anything.

Elon tweeted "I’ve asked the SpaceXAI team to preserve any rare books in a library and scan them the hard way vs just cutting off the spine and scanning"

which is no sense a credible source for what he actually asked SpaceXAI team to do, or if they are doing it, or what they were doing before yesterday. Elon has an extremely long and thorough track record of lying.

https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2081844165881594362

drivebyhooting 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

What do you mean?

taude 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

they're refering to this: https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-companies-de...

KolmogorovComp 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To scan them, they usually have to resort breaking them into individual pages.

wonnage 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-milli...

The scanning process destroys the book.

jazzyjackson 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

Note it doesn't have to, it's just faster to.

Internet Archive scans their books one page at a time keeping the book intact and stored in a warehouse.

TimCTRL 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yet none of them would have been here if Google hadn't published "Attention is all you need", the irony.

arjie 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

The authors of that paper are all at AI companies not named Google.

gowld 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

They wouldn't be if Google hadn't published "Attention is all you need".

paxys 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m not sure why this is so surprising? AI company does not automatically mean research company. The vast majority of new startups popping up over the last few years have commercial motivations, and use models built by someone else. Why are you expecting them to publish scientific papers?

50% of startups contributing to public research is actually a crazy good outcome. That’s far more than I had expected.

randomImmigrant 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What the blogificafion of AI research has done is allowed all kinds of claims and terminology related to AI to be introduced and taken up in a manner replicating social media dynamics. And that is simply not healthy. We’re fast reaching a place where any claim can be backed up with a set of numbers from a number of experiments run in some gamified environment or the other, with little concern for if it all adds up to anything. It’s a vicious loop, because this same junk then goes in to train the next models which help spit out the next set of models AND blogs/papers. The net effect is not dissimilar to setting termites loose in a library.

gowld 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

How is that different from traditional research publication? It's faster?

odyssey7 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Once something goes commercial, academics have to consider what progress would be research-worthy, rather than a half-baked prototype for a product or feature.

Companies can’t be expected to publish their confidential and proprietary information about their feature development, and academics should consider projects that would have higher impact.

If you’re taking up a seat in a PhD program tinkering with would-be feature ideas for an existing major tech company, you should really just get hired by that tech company, where the resources are abundant and the degree is not required.

aeternum 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The age of the dark forest is upon us

raincole 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do startups in other fields constantly publish their research?

amazingamazing 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trade secrets are back, baby!

More to the point, without determining how much work is “worthy” of a paper it is unclear how much this matters.

Most AI companies are either a product and marketing layer over a model or not meaningfully moving any dimension to be worthy of a paper.

Also, formal papers and blogs and “cards” are all being intertwined.

ltbarcly3 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All startups barely publish their research, because doing that would be incredibly stupid for the most part, because they want to sell the stuff they invent not give it away for free.

gowld 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

The stuff they invent isn't what's in the papers. The progress in AI is in the engineering hurdles.

semiinfinitely 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

gate keepers of antiquated practice decry people realizing they they dont need to get past the gate

KoolKat23 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

No man is an island.

EGreg 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Funny, as ONE PERSON with Claude, I've been on a tear when it comes to publishing my own research:

https://arxiv.org/search/?searchtype=author&query=Magarshak%...

So I know that smart people in those companies can definitely publish. In fact, a whole team should probably be publishing like no tomorrow!

gowld 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Have you built the things described in those papers?

sublinear 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> “If we were racing forward on cancer-curing AI, I would be like, ’Fantastic, full steam ahead,’” she says. “But that’s not what we’re racing toward, right?”

We're not racing towards anything. We've been going in circles for years.

datakan 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Feels more like 3 steps forward and 2 steps back.

warkdarrior 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> We're not racing towards anything. We've been going in circles for years.

We reached the NASCAR-racing equivalent of scientific research.

xyst 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

That’s because most of its slop, and not reproducible

Revanche1367 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

Live by the non-determinism, die by the non-determinism.