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KoolKat23 an hour ago

Perhaps I'm imagining it but the entire industry was build on published research, this "AI wave" is at odds with that and seems to be driven by greed (although they'll claim some arms race or something to help themselves sleep at night).

There should be a new ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) policy being pushed recognizing the important role this plays. Although ESG and all norms have been set aside in this grim new world it seems.

fultonn 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Perhaps I'm imagining it

You are not. A disproportionate amount of value in the computing industry was created by geniuses who decided to just tell people how to do things instead of trying to capture the value of being the first person to figure out how to do those things.

This observation pre-dates the current wave of AI hype by a half century or so.

> driven by greed

I can only speak for myself.

For me it's exactly the opposite. If I want to explain how something works, I can just... do that. If I want to share an artifact demonstrating how to solve a particular type of problem, I can just... do that. If I want to mentor/teach, I can just... do that.

Doing those things within the confines of Academia Approved Institutions is exhausting and distracting.

To wit, and the actual point of this post: the term "Publishing Research" in this article doesn't mean "post it on a blog and share the source code". It means engaging in a very specific and peculiar and extremely political modality of communication.

And it really only makes sense to do that specific and peculiar and political thing you're at a stage in your professional/personal development where you need to play that particular prestige game. (Which there's nothing wrong with, but it is a deeply cargo culted version of the actual scientific process.)

Aurornis 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Perhaps I'm imagining it but the entire industry was build on public research

There is some excellent publicly-funded research in there, but pivotal papers like Attention Is All You Need and the numerous pivotal OpenAI publications were privately funded.

OpenAI is at the top of the chart in the study.

I think you're bringing some assumptions into this conversation that aren't supported by the evidence.

anon373839 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> OpenAI is at the top of the chart in the study.

A distinction should be made between the old nonprofit OpenAI and the current organization. They don't publish technical research anymore.

KoolKat23 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Sorry I mean published i.e. available to the public.

Aurornis 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

I was also referring to published papers available to the public.

Like I said, I think you're bringing some assumptions to this conversation that aren't based on the how the industry came about.

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cute_boi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Forget publishing, companies like misanthropic are buying rare books and destroying it.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-milli...

jsphweid an hour ago | parent | next [-]

When they do this, are they buying a single copy of say Book A and destroying a single Book A copy? Or are they buying every copy they can find of Book A and destroying all of them?

ComputerPerson an hour ago | parent [-]

Elon recently (2d) tweeted about making sure they preserve rare books and "scan them the hard way". That tweet launched a cultural wave of opposition regarding the debinding of rare books.

The discussion has been around, but it's flared significantly recently. Not sure if that's what the person you're responding to is specifically inflamed about.

Regardless, old/rare books are certainly being acquired and destroyed.

gowld 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

No, he didn't tweeted about "making sure" of anything.

Elon tweeted "I’ve asked the SpaceXAI team to preserve any rare books in a library and scan them the hard way vs just cutting off the spine and scanning"

which is no sense a credible source for what he actually asked SpaceXAI team to do, or if they are doing it, or what they were doing before yesterday. Elon has an extremely long and thorough track record of lying.

https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/2081844165881594362

ComputerPerson 17 minutes ago | parent [-]

Sure, I'm ambivalent to his veracity.

The problem remains either way. Small operations around the globe are debinding rare/unique books. I'm involved with an organization considering (not strongly) that exactly. It's bigger than a single man's tweets.

drivebyhooting an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

What do you mean?

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taude an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

they're refering to this: https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-companies-de...

KolmogorovComp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To scan them, they usually have to resort breaking them into individual pages.

wonnage an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-milli...

The scanning process destroys the book.

jazzyjackson 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

Note it doesn't have to, it's just faster to.

Internet Archive scans their books one page at a time keeping the book intact and stored in a warehouse.

usef- a minute ago | parent [-]

They do in this case: the judge said that destroying them means that the text is being "transferred" rather than "copied". So the law wants them to destroy.