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Azulejo(en.wikipedia.org)
144 points by Amorymeltzer 2 days ago | 45 comments
jcmfernandes 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Doing a little activism here: please don't buy old ones while visiting Portugal/Spain/etc., as they are commonly stolen goods. Thanks, from Lisbon.

andrewl-hn 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Meanwhile there are many masters that make these tiles today - I know one personally! - and they all struggle to find clients.

asimovDev 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just googled it and apparently these are often chipped of historical buildings and sold as tourist souvenirs. Thanks for informing us

jcmfernandes 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed, it's sad. They are staple here in Portugal, covering entire buildings. Beautiful examples: https://maps.app.goo.gl/3BK1BoMVsgRY38eG8 and https://maps.app.goo.gl/fquP923g13xtbSxU8

santiagobasulto 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'll take advantage of your domain knowledge :) Where's the best place to find local artists that produce them?

world2vec 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Viúva de Lamego is not a "local" artist per se but they're a leading artisanal workshop in classic and contemporary Portuguese tiles. If you have the budget, their tailor-made tiles are something else, imagination is the limit. (source: my dad does a lot of house restorations in Portugal and some require custom tiles to fill in missing/damaged areas)

rimeice an hour ago | parent [-]

Can second this. Happy customer here. Amazing experience visiting their factory. Seems like a real institution. There were in fact a bunch of artist at the factory working with them there when we visited.

fcatalan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In Spain, if you drive 1 h 20 minutes southwest of Madrid you get to Talavera de la Reina, which is a town all about ceramic and pottery:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talavera_de_la_Reina

jcmfernandes 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I would love to help, but it's not my domain. I, unfortunately, witness the side-effects of people stealing them on my day to day. There are many shops in Lisbon that sell them, and there's even a beautiful museum here that it's definitely worth visiting (or signing up for a workshop!): https://museunacionaldoazulejo.gov.pt - it's currently closed for renovation; it should reopen later this year, but that's yet to be confirmed.

When buying - on the streets or in a shop - if it looks old, unless provenance is absolutely clear, please don't.

senko 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Azul[0] is a great board game inspired by this style.

Easy to start, can get quite complex, heartily recommended!

[0] https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/230802/azul

ustad 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

2 player can lead to fist fights.

dgellow 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I love it, still my favorite game after all those years, there is so much depth with such a simple mechanic.

Whenever I want to play with a game engine I reimplement a version of it

tchalla 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It really gets complex in a 4 player version and if also if you play thr version where the colors of the tiles are not set on the board. Fun game!!

brunoborges an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Amazing how an article from Wikipedia easily trends on HN for no good reason, while many posts go unseen under the [new] tab.

s20n 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I assumed the word was derived from "azul" but from the article, it's apparently derived from the Arabic الزليج (al-zillīj) and has no relation with "azul"

txbrown 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Portuguese here - many Portuguese words have origin from Arabic as Portugal has been conquered and occupied by "the Moors" in 8th~13th century. That's a long time! Alentejo, Aljezur, Algarve, and many of the cities in the Southern part of the country have have Arabic origins.

portugueasey 4 hours ago | parent [-]

So much so that the controversy over the use of “insha’Allah” by non-Muslims was missed by me, Portuguese has “oxalá”, and I could not understand the problem. It’s funny how many words we use in Portuguese and Spanish that have their origin in the Moorish time.

rescbr an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I'm Brazilian and I had never connected "insha'Allah" to "oxalá". Wow, TIL.

At least we were taught in school that if a word starts with "al" then there is a big chance it has roots in Arabic.

heyjamesknight 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Arab Orthodox Christians have been saying "inshallah" longer than Muslims have been around.

forinti 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Some words also came into Portuguese from African slaves who were Muslim.

And also from the Lebanese who immigrated to Brazil in the XX century.

senadir 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The arabic word for "azul" is أزرق (azraq) so they all look pretty adjacent.

Laurel1234 an hour ago | parent [-]

Azul 100% comes from Arabic (well Persian, but through Arabic), although I think the specific Andalusian form that was borrowed was a bit different from that.

lookeey 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

interestingly, apparently "azul" also comes from the arabic "lāzuward"

vasco 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I always thought it came from lapis lazuli (portuguese). Azul as a subpar of Lazuli even sounds exactly the same in portuguese.

wvbdmp 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Lapis Lazuli is cognate, both come from the same Arabic/Persian root. Apparently “azure”, “azul”, “azzurro” lost the L because it got confused with the common “l’” article,

decimalenough 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Rebracketing strikes again!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebracketing

nudpiedo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And the word from arabic comes, for both of them comes from persian for hte term lapis lazuli (lāžward) and suposedly this comes from sanskrit... but I ignore how it may sound in sanskrit.

dgellow 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In french we have “azur”

Laurel1234 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This wikipedia article, the wiktionary entry for Portuguese, and the Spanish wiktionary entry all have different etymologies lmao.

As a Spanish speaker it seems really hard to believe it's not azul + -ejo. They're literally blue.

voxleone 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Azulejos are still a staple in Brazilian architecture. It is a common wall covering in clean areas like bathrooms, kitchens, hospitals.

jwrallie 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is one of those words that can sound exotic, but for the locals would be so plain and uneventful to hear. Kinda like all the Japanese words being used for software project names on Github.

diego_moita 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

As in many countries, it is staple but not an art. They're just tilings.

What the Spanish, Moroccan and Portuguese do with azulejos / zellij is miles ahead. It is intricate, complex and beautiful.

Those countries just take the think into crazy high levels of beauty. It is not in the same league.

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=zellij+morocco&sxsrf=APpeQns...

[2] https://www.google.com/search?q=azulejo+sevillano&udm=2&sxsr...

leflambeur an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use Zellij and only recently had a colleague tell me that the name comes from Arabic and had not made the link to "Azulejo". It makes sense of course, considering they all refer to some form of tiling :)

bravura 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve been curious for a while the cheapest way to create a small run of azulejo tiles with printed design and very strange (puzzle piece like) shapes

smel an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Zellij is Moroccan from Fes, Morrocans bring it to Iberia

agilestoic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why does a random Wikipedia article gets bumped so high here? :D

inigyou 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is this related to a Forgejo

sav_m 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've read somewhere Forgejo comes from esperanto.

statox 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You might have read that from their [faq](https://forgejo.org/faq/)

> Forgejo (pronounced /forˈd͡ʒe.jo/) is inspired by forĝejo, the Esperanto word for forge.

augusto-moura 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nope, not at all, very different etymologies

inigyou 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Forgejo running on Azure

anthk 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also they are easier to clean in a bathroom/kitchen.

Angostura 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Annoying article in that sentence 2 mentions temperature control and that’s the last mention

slfnflctd 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I also wanted to see more about the temperature control aspect and was scanning the article for it. Some quick additional searching elsewhere turned up possible effects such as reflective surfaces, thermal mass, and moisture buffering.

jwrallie 5 hours ago | parent [-]

More of direct experience instead of a scientific explanation, but it feels cold to the touch. I would guess it is related to thermal conductivity.