| ▲ | jjmarr 2 hours ago |
| In the words of the person who announced the ban, when moderating a discussion on it 8 months prior:[1] > > Dear Codeberg, please push out and ban these political fighters. > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are a "coffee hosting service" that neutrally hosts code from a variety of perspectives. Their view is that hosting code is a political act and this is backed by the donations funding Codeberg's operation. [1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184#issuecom... |
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| ▲ | duxup an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| How do you know what the politics will be next? They banned vibe coded projects too… goodness knows how they think they can determine / enforce that. |
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| ▲ | matheusmoreira an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > goodness knows how they think they can determine that Asking people to define that nearly got me kicked out of lobsters. These people don't want to have to define it. Ironically, they're going to enforce their rules based on vibes. Vibewritten rules, vibenforced. | |
| ▲ | tbrownaw an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > How do you know what the politics will be next? That's the neat part, you don't. (Or, well, you could pay attention to the individual humans involved?) |
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| ▲ | altmanaltman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The whole "codeberg is political" is the scary bit. Whose politics? How is it decided by members what exact politics to represent? Do some members have undue influence on exerting their particular politics? Sure ban Cryptocurrency projects whatever, its your platform. But calling a code hosting service "political" and acting like its the Galatic Senate is just wrong priorities. It is hard to take something serious like that if they just say "hey we are political whether you like it or not" without spending susbtantial amount of time ensuring its clean, transparent and good politics not a bunch of sith lords jerking each other off. |
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| ▲ | pretendgeneer an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I think you're misunderstanding "codeberg is political". Everything is political, FOSS is political, GitHub is also political. When people say "We're not political", or "That's not political". What they're actually saying is that it's within my own politics. | | |
| ▲ | tbrownaw an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | No, there's a big difference between "net effects are not guaranteed to be perfectly neutral" and "I am going to intentionally put my thumb on the scale". The position that everything is political so therefore opinions are mandatory intentionally conflates these things. | | |
| ▲ | Forgeties79 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You’re the one who seems to be conflating things - everything is political =/= opinions are mandatory. | | |
| ▲ | tbrownaw 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The comment I was replying to said > When people say "We're not political", or "That's not political". What they're actually saying is that it's within my own politics. That assertion is incorrect. Said incorrect assertion is derived from the conflation I called out. |
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| ▲ | causalmodels 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My issue with this is not that codeberg and its members want to uphold a certain set of political beliefs. Any private organization is free to do that. It's that they haven't defined the rule that's supposed to encode those beliefs. As written, the rule is a non-exhaustive example of "content that harms codeberg's reputation". Someone asked in the pr whether "cryptocurrency-related" is defined anywhere and it merged without an answer. The responses to wording concerns was essentially they will figure it out later. Moves like this don't fill me with confidence. | |
| ▲ | an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | altmanaltman an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | No I understand that. But the point I am making is saying that is much stronger than saying "our policy says we won't host crypto projects going forward". The latter is fine, any service provider can set terms as they fit within the law. But if you claim you are highly political, you must invite further questions into it. How does Codeberg handle the diverse mix of politics within it and manage its influences? If we give the organization a character by calling it political, we create an obligation to explain further. Overall, again I feel this is a self-own to project idealogue this hard since you flavor it in a specific way that is not inclusive. | | |
| ▲ | overfeed 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > How does Codeberg handle the diverse mix of politics within it and manage its influence They don't have to. > Overall, again I feel this is a self-own to project idealogue this hard since you flavor it in a specific way that is not inclusive. D.E.I. is out right now. Fortunately, Codeberg helpfully funds Forgejo, so all the non-eligible projects can benefit from self-hosting. |
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| ▲ | jjmarr an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's the politics of the paid membership of the Codeberg non-profit that funds the whole operation. They vote in yearly meetings. | | |
| ▲ | altmanaltman 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't understand how the two are related, though. Voting yearly as a community does not make things "political" if the issues are not politically challenged themselves. For example, if a group of people get together and decide "hey we want to watch 10 movies this year" that in itself is not a political action. It's a governance action. But if they say, "Hey, let's watch these 10 movies but not watch 1 because we all think it is wrong to capitalize on bananas," that is a political action. In the first one, your individual politics do not matter for consensus but in the second one, it does and as a whole you need to take a stance on a subjective political matter as an organization. And if you take a stance as an organization, you must also accept the consequences of not being impartial which they don't seem to do. "It is political but the details of how/why/what votes are decided, how we think of politics, how it influences our worldwide, our basic ethical code etc are all unknown. BUT IT IS POLITICAL so buzz off." is not a good stance in my opinion, especially for a version control tool. |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Honestly I respect it |
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| ▲ | gruez 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I can't. What happened to pluralism? | | |
| ▲ | jrflowers an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Pluralism is when strangers are forced to host my code for free. The idea of somebody else putting their time and money into something and then not giving it to me is philosophically worrisome | |
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