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| ▲ | tbrownaw 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| No, there's a big difference between "net effects are not guaranteed to be perfectly neutral" and "I am going to intentionally put my thumb on the scale". The position that everything is political so therefore opinions are mandatory intentionally conflates these things. |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You’re the one who seems to be conflating things - everything is political =/= opinions are mandatory. | | |
| ▲ | tbrownaw 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The comment I was replying to said > When people say "We're not political", or "That's not political". What they're actually saying is that it's within my own politics. That assertion is incorrect. Said incorrect assertion is derived from the conflation I called out. |
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| ▲ | causalmodels 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My issue with this is not that codeberg and its members want to uphold a certain set of political beliefs. Any private organization is free to do that. It's that they haven't defined the rule that's supposed to encode those beliefs. As written, the rule is a non-exhaustive example of "content that harms codeberg's reputation". Someone asked in the pr whether "cryptocurrency-related" is defined anywhere and it merged without an answer. The responses to wording concerns was essentially they will figure it out later. Moves like this don't fill me with confidence. |
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| ▲ | tkel an hour ago | parent [-] | | You're still not understanding the point. It's not about an organization being "private" or "public" (what does "private" even mean?). Everything is political. When you try and cleave society into things that are and aren't political, what you are doing is creating a normative set of things that aren't allowed to be challenged, on the basis of your claim that they aren't political, obscuring/obfuscating their actual underlying politics, and everything else is pushed outside of it. It is an attempt to create strict boundaries around the limits of discussion and action, which is itself a political act! | | |
| ▲ | fluoridation 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >When you try and cleave society into things that are and aren't political, what you are doing is creating a normative set of things that aren't allowed to be challenged, on the basis of your claim that they aren't political What are you talking about? Whether something is allowed to be challenged has nothing to do with whether it's political. Actually, what even is not allowed to be challenged? I struggle to come up with a single example. |
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| ▲ | bigstrat2003 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No dude. Most things are not, in fact, political. When I enjoy a meal, that isn't political. When I hang out with my family and friends, that isn't political. When I sit down to read a nice book with a cup of cocoa, that isn't political. The notion that "everything is political" is an indicator that someone has an extremely toxic relationship with politics. Basically you're projecting your unhealthy level of political engagement onto everyone else, and insisting that we all have that manner of thinking (but are just denying it to score political points). Well that isn't true, and for your own sake I encourage you to stop that. You'll be much happier when you stop making life about politics. |
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| ▲ | wolvesechoes an hour ago | parent [-] | | But the moment you step into social realm it becomes political, as Mr. Aristotle said. | | |
| ▲ | fluoridation 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | What do you mean? If I talk to a friend about stargazing that's political? If a group of people meet up to play a game of cards that's political? |
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| ▲ | altmanaltman 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| No I understand that. But the point I am making is saying that is much stronger than saying "our policy says we won't host crypto projects going forward". The latter is fine, any service provider can set terms as they fit within the law. But if you claim you are highly political, you must invite further questions into it. How does Codeberg handle the diverse mix of politics within it and manage its influences? If we give the organization a character by calling it political, we create an obligation to explain further. Overall, again I feel this is a self-own to project idealogue this hard since you flavor it in a specific way that is not inclusive. |
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| ▲ | overfeed 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > How does Codeberg handle the diverse mix of politics within it and manage its influence They don't have to. > Overall, again I feel this is a self-own to project idealogue this hard since you flavor it in a specific way that is not inclusive. D.E.I. is out right now. Fortunately, Codeberg helpfully funds Forgejo, so all the non-eligible projects can benefit from self-hosting. |
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