| ▲ | ballon_monkey 11 hours ago |
| The 2 things people need to remember: 1) China can (and does) use the models to influence the west. They train in false information about Taiwan and Hong Kong. Or pretend like history is in favor of China. 2) Ignoring the models containing false information, they are incredible. But you should be scared of running inference via the model creators directly. If you think your data is safe compared to running it via model providers in the US ( either frontier or model hosts like fireworks.ai ) then please let me know your bank details so I can poke around. |
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| ▲ | w4lker 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| https://thereallo.dev/blog/claude-code-prompt-steganography Why should I trust a US company more than a Chinese one? |
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| ▲ | bamboozled 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Agree, China believes in Climate change and are at least taking steps to address it. Personally this is making me trust them more than the USA because, facts. I mean lesser of two evils thinking, if one is intentionally leading us towards climate disaster, while the other isn't then yeah. What else can be said? Should I trust the authoritarian country who believes in engineering and science, or the one that doesn't? | | |
| ▲ | sarchertech 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | China emits 3x more co2 than the US and last year their rate of increase was 2.5x that of the US. https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by... | | |
| ▲ | ralferoo an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | "big number bad" isn't a great way of analysing the data, because China has a massively larger population. The US emits 49% more CO2 per capita than China. And even with the much larger rate of increase, 0.79% to US' 0.3%, it'll still require 81 years to catch up to the US per capita rate [0]. The US aren't the good guys here, not by any means. Compared to my country, for instance, the US' emissions are 3x per capita that of the UK. If you want to argue that we shouldn't be using per capita (although we absolutely should), then that's 45x the UK's CO2 emissions. [0] log(13.59/9.13) / log(1.0049) = 81.4 years | | |
| ▲ | sarchertech an hour ago | parent [-] | | In absolute numbers China produces 1/3 of the total worlds CO2, and they are still growing the amount of CO2 they are producing. That is not the actions of a country who “believes in climate change”. China’s CO2 per capita is ahead of every large developed country except for the US, Australia, and Russia. | | |
| ▲ | Zigurd 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Actually, if you Google the rankings, China is 27th per capita, behind, of all places, Iceland. | | |
| ▲ | sarchertech 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > ahead of every large developed country Because those are the only ones move the needle on climate change. |
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| ▲ | desterothx 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Almost like the entire worlds manufacturing was pushed to China the last 40 years (and is now getting moved to cheaper countries with the rising Chinese middle class). Is there a similar explanation for why the US number is so high? | | |
| ▲ | myrmidon 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Outsourced manufacturing is much less of a factor than people typically assume: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-e... US numbers are insanely high because cheap hydrocarbons are locally available (=> bad incentives) and everyone is wealthy (that correlation is very strong; just compare Luxembourg, which is much wealthier and more polluting than surrounding nations) and also population density is rather low so more energy wasted for transport. |
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| ▲ | ralferoo 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | You seem to think China is the evil polluter here. Just sort by per capita, and you'll see it's not even in the top 10% most polluting per capita. There are plenty of large (depending on your definition of large) countries above it. Not just US, Australia and Russia that you are excluding for some reason, but also Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Canada all have significantly developed economically important countries. And they all have GDP per capita much greater than China's. What's your rationale for excluding them? There's a whole host of smaller countries with higher GDP per capita than China between those I listed above and China on the CO2 per capita results. We should agree that ALL countries should be working to reduce CO2 emissions. But it sounds like you have a strong US bias and given Trump not only denies that climate change is even a thing, has withdrawn from international agreements on reducing emissions and even tries to pressure other countries to burn oil instead of investing in windfarms, it seems a bit disingenuous to try to make out that China is the only country that needs to improve. Before commenting on the speck in someone else's eye, first remove the plank from your own, yadda yadda... |
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| ▲ | Ekaros an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | USA emits 2165574,97709 times more than Faroe Islands. Sounds like they should be forced to limit that to some reasonable level say 2x of that of Faroe Islands. Don't think it would be too big ask right? | | |
| ▲ | sarchertech an hour ago | parent [-] | | China produces 1/3 of the world’s CO2. They already produce more per capita than all other large developed countries except Australia, the US, and Russia. And their rate of growth is higher than all of those countries except Russia. There’s no way to force them to do anything, but this is not that action of a nation that “believes in climate change”. | | |
| ▲ | nixon_why69 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That's while being the world's factory, having lots of green energy, electric cars and an ACUTE motivation to reduce oil imports. Coal is a problem but at least they're not canceling half-finished green energy products when administrations change. |
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| ▲ | beepbooptheory 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Kind of a meta point but for those who don't know, its fun to track this comment and its responses through time. I want to nominate it for the hall of fame in classic HN post genre. It will be two decades soon! https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=21&prefix=false&q... One interesting thing would be to see how the numbers change over the years alongside the otherwise identical debates. |
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| ▲ | petcat 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | USA and Europe are basically equal in terms of yearly production of renewable energy. Texas + California alone rank 6th in the world. |
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| ▲ | simianparrot 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you can’t answer that question for yourself maybe you should go live in China. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Been there. Great place. High standard of living, everyone is very productive. Still a dictatorship, and you can't speak ill of the government, but a successful one. | |
| ▲ | Envwnger 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What if they don't live in USA? | |
| ▲ | mad_tortoise 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is such an hilarious answer. For most of the non-Western world, we don't distrust China because they have created benefits for the developing world. Whereas the USA has been outright imperialist for the past 60-70 years, undermining and overthrowing developing democracies, putting in dictators, using international organisations as debt traps, waging and funding wars that put our lives and economies at risk. It is so pathetic how American's see themselves, and are so deeply afraid of China. I am far more fearful of the predatory nature of the USA and its agencies than I could ever be of China who would never have any interest in me. | | |
| ▲ | ToValueFunfetti 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thank god. I'd been hearing we screwed up catastrophically by electing an admin that took a chainsaw to our foreign aid programs, killing millions in the developing world. Such a relief to learn we were never doing that stuff in the first place. |
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| ▲ | psychoslave 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Abstracted from the HN specific audience, there’s around 17% chance they already do, which is to compare to the "around 4%" chance they live in USA. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by... | |
| ▲ | brettermeier 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The US is a pile of shit, sorry. | |
| ▲ | Der_Einzige 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The ROI for (white) men going to China for a period of their lives is extremely high. Where else are you going to get your “Abg cmo” |
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| ▲ | whywhywhywhy 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > They train in false information about Taiwan and Hong Kong. Or pretend like history is in favor of China. American labs can open their models or their old models at any point if they actually care about this, but until the day OG GPT 4 isn't averrable to download or Claude 3 then they're only pretending to care about this because they can profit from restrictions. |
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| ▲ | ansgar77 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Regarding point 2, I don't trust my data being safe running inference on model creators api, but neither do I trust US providers. Both use it for their own benefit, the only difference is the country of origin. The US has a lot more legal safeguards for this but I don't trust they don't do it regardless. |
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| ▲ | vachina 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | legal safeguards only make sense only when they’re enforced. With how “move fast and break things” Silicon Valley is law is always playing catch up (at your expense) |
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| ▲ | sajithdilshan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| But hasn’t it been the same with US since the WWII? US has influenced the world through various ways sometimes even weaponising human rights to spread American superiority and its narrative? |
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| ▲ | inglor_cz 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | While true, you neglect the fact that US corporations have some autonomy from the government. I doubt that any of the current American AI corporations get regular dossiers of desirable responses to sensitive political topics from Washington and implement them. That would be a reason for a major lawsuit and a major scandal. In China, the image of the country and the preferred narrative is under much tighter control of the government and local AI shops won't have any autonomy in this regard at all. Either obey or get shut down. BTW What you mean by "weaponizing human rights", exactly? I am curious. If anything, I would say that the US foreign policy didn't promote human rights sufficiently, especially in Latin America, where the "bastard, but our bastard" attitude was typical. OTOH in Europe, US human rights policy was probably relevant in saving some dissenters in the former Eastern Bloc from torture or execution. | | |
| ▲ | sajithdilshan 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > you neglect the fact that US corporations have some autonomy from the government I'm not sure if this is correct. It seems like every big US corporation is changing their policy based on the views of the administration in place. As an example during Biden's time the DEI was in full motion in every corporation and in current administration it's the other way around. Also I remember as soon as Biden won the election twitter and meta suspended the profile of Trump. So I hardly think that there is much room for autonomy. Also the latest export bans on Antropic and OpenAI models kind of make your argument weak, of course the company can sue the givernment, but the national security comes above all. > BTW What you mean by "weaponizing human rights", exactly? US has been using the violations of human rights to impose sanctions or to especially get countries in line which are not supporting the US agenda when it comes to global politics. However, they were more than happy turn a blind eye if the respective country that violates human rights (most middle eastern countries) if they are allies of US doctrine. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A Russian and an American are sitting next to each other on a plane. The American says "I'm impressed by the propaganda you have in Russia." "Oh it's very good, but it's nothing compared to the propaganda you have in America." replies the Russian. "Huh? We don't have propaganda in America." says the American. "Exactly." says the Russian. | | |
| ▲ | abalashov 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | As a Russian, I deeply appreciate this. In Russia, it seemed obvious to even the most parochial peasant that there was propaganda, while in America, the vast majority of the society not only fails to consider the possibility, but is cholerically allergic to the very idea. Edit: recognising that there is propaganda != knowing what is and isn't propaganda. That's all I meant. | | |
| ▲ | inglor_cz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If every parochial peasant could recognize Russian official propaganda, why are so many people on board with whatever the propaganda says? I mean, it took longer than the Great Patriotic War before Putin's popularity started visibly falling and people started questioning what the entire "SVO" is for. | | |
| ▲ | nixon_why69 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I mean, if the American propaganda is "you are evil" and the Russian propaganda is "fuck those guys", you don't have to agree on every particular. People have nationalism everywhere. | |
| ▲ | inigyou an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Surely [a] they don't really give a shit anyway and [b] they don't want to fall out a window I think Russians are used to knowing it's dangerous to disagree with dear leader and there's no advantage to disagreeing so they just go along with whatever he says | |
| ▲ | abalashov 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Recognising that there is propaganda != being deeply savvy about what the propaganda is. However, I've found it to be an article of faith in America that the US just doesn't engage in that kind of thing--less so in recent years, as the crisis of belief and confidence in institutions has ricocheted, egged on by the disinformation and demagoguery of the Trump years. |
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| ▲ | inglor_cz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I remember peak wokeness quite well and it was pretty obvious that it was driven by the Twitter activist mob and not the Biden administration, which was quite visibly behind the times and followed the trends. Already during the Biden administration, defections from the orthodoxy started and then multiplied - some businesses like Coinbase or IIRC Cloudflare refused the demands outright. Musk bought Twitter with an explicit task to make it less progressive. And the White House did precisely nothing against this defection trend. "US has been using the violations of human rights to impose sanctions or to especially get countries in line which are not supporting the US agenda when it comes to global politics. However, they were more than happy turn a blind eye if the respective country that violates human rights (most middle eastern countries) if they are allies of US doctrine." I do agree that the US is hypocritical about human rights, but actual violations of human rights should be a reason for sanctions, and the fact that this is done only partly/imperfectly, IMHO, beats the potential alternative when it isn't done at all. This would be a much worse world in my opinion. | | |
| ▲ | sajithdilshan 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I do agree that the US is hypocritical about human rights, but actual violations of human rights should be a reason for sanctions, and the fact that this is done only partly/imperfectly, IMHO, beats the potential alternative when it isn't done at all. This would be a much worse world in my opinion. That's why I said that it was weaponized. In reality US doesn't care if there is a real human rights violation or not, they just use it as an excuse to get what they want. |
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| ▲ | traceroute66 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > you neglect the fact that US corporations have some autonomy from the government In theory. In practice, Trump picks up the phone and say "jump" and the CEO on the other end says "how high ?". And if you say no, well, we saw what happened when Anthropic said no. | | |
| ▲ | inglor_cz 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you seriously believe that if you ask Grok or ChatGPT their opinion about tariffs or the Iran war, they will simply regurgitate Trump's talking points because they were programmed so on the threat of shutdown? People with no personal experience of an actual totalitarian system don't really know what they are talking about when it comes to actual information control and micromanagement by the government. Hence they make nonsensical comparisons with a straight face. | | |
| ▲ | traceroute66 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am not going to post what I could respond on a public forum. All I will say is that it should be perfectly apparent by now to any sane external observer that Trump does not play by any long-established rules or protocols. An entire encyclopedia of examples could easily be provided, the most famous recent one being his phone call to FIFA about the red card suspension. | | |
| ▲ | inglor_cz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, Trump is quite an outlier in his non-standard behavior, I agree on that. That said, Americans still enjoy very robust protections of freedom of speech and association, about the strongest in the world, and your SCOTUS does not seem to be inclined to hollow them out. Many of the pending lawsuits will end there and eventually bind this administration, plus the following ones. This just does not happen in actual authoritarian countries, where no judicial remedy is available and the justice system is just another arm of the tyrant, rubberstamping punishments pre-determined by him. Yes, I agree that vigilance about infringements of freedom is necessary, but the current US population is plenty vigilant. Trump is nowhere near as popular as, say, Erdogan is, and cannot simply raid offices of the Democrats and shut down oppositional media. | | |
| ▲ | nekusar 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, he's not. He's more direct and brazen about it. But he's doing the same culling, the same political demands, same everything. Its just now in plain view rather than behind closed doors. | | |
| ▲ | sajithdilshan 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Exactly, people think that Biden, Obama, Bush, etc. are some sort of saints and Trump is the devil. All other presidents used to do the same things behind closed doors and Trump just doesn't care to hide it. |
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| ▲ | pydry 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In China the state rules the corporations and in the US the corporations rule the state. Neither is a system worth fighting for. Swiss style democracy maybe but not autocracy and not oligarchy. >OTOH in Europe, US human rights policy was probably relevant in saving some dissenters in the former Eastern Bloc from torture or execution. Yeah, a bit like how Russia saved Edward Snowden. The US will use human rights as a club to beat its imperial rivals with but when it has deemed torture and arbitrary execution in the interests of its imperial power it has adopted them enthusiastically. When US allies use these tools and worse they are excused. There is basically nothing which US rivals do which the US wouldn't also do under similar circumstances. | | |
| ▲ | tedd4u 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The corps ruled the US until Trump. Now it’s moving to an oligarchical / kleptocratic mode like Russia. Sure the corps are still involved, but not on top. Will they remain after the current administration? I think it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle. |
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| ▲ | riskd 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s perfectly fine for the “West” to influence the world though, right? Or is it only a problem because… they’re Chinese? |
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| ▲ | hetman 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why would it be a problem that they're Chinese? It's a problem because their country is ruled by an authoritarian regime. The West, by contrast, doesn't have a singular arbiter of truth, it has a plurality of perspectives (as much as certain interest groups would really rather that was not the case). It's not perfect, but those of us who have memories of living under authoritarian regimes can tell you there's no comparison. | | |
| ▲ | podgorniy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > It's a problem because their country is ruled by an authoritarian regime Hey, have you seeing what trump does with your (presumably) country? Maybe wars? Maybe market manipulation? Mayde pedo right covering on the government level? Maybe bubbles and threats to EU? What an ignorance. You live with old stories, not the current state of the world... | |
| ▲ | inigyou 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If being ruled by an authoritarian regime is the problem, then wouldn't both Chinese and American models be problematic? European models too, if they had any. | |
| ▲ | BoredomIsFun 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | West has though a history of supporting regimes far more hideous than Chinese, and ready to push narrative whenever possible. It is well known idea BTW in political thought that democracies are far more reliant on propaganda for control than authoritarian,which due to their strong grip on political discourse do not need high quality propaganda anyway. TLDR: American propaganda is not any better than Chinese, neither have the best interests of my country in their minds. |
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| ▲ | youre-wrong3 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you got examples of GPT/Claude/Grok influencing people? | | |
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| ▲ | makeitdouble 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| On (1), models are an aggregation of large volumes of data sources, whatever the culture producing them, you'll get the average bias of that culture. We see that on what minorities are associated with inside the model, or how things that aren't online will have a completely different weight. Or how 2/4/5/8ch or X will be disproportionately present in specific models despite being the places where facts go to die. |
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| ▲ | MintPaw 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I see your point, but this isn't exactly true, it only takes a single person to bias a model by deleting specific training data or over training on certain facts. |
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| ▲ | nixon_why69 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > pretend like history is in favor of China. Are you saying that history has a verdict, and it disfavors particular 3000 year old cultures? |
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| ▲ | kiicia 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| but you are not using chinese models to learn about taiwan, you use chinese models to do everything BUT learning about taiwan, so no issue there |
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| ▲ | shunia_huang 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| But Dario said (and maybe more ppl) that Chinese models are just distillation of their model and training data, so I guess your first point is invalid? |
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| ▲ | traceroute66 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > But Dario said (and maybe more ppl) that Chinese models are just distillation "But Dario said" ... yawn. I am increasingly convinced that "they distilled us" is as much US FUD as "it was made by communists". Especially since its mostly the US tech-bros who are coming out with that tiny violin. People telling me the Chinese models are distilled just because it says "I am Claude" when asked is also lame. I am not the only one, look at this post on interconnects about Kimi K3 for example:[1] It should be clear looking at this model that if adversarial distillation from the closed frontier models in the U.S. contributed, it is at most to a relatively small degree. AI observers who followed the distillation panic and came away with the wrong conclusion that Chinese AI labs are only producing good models due to IP theft are in for an awakening – that Chinese companies are extremely good at building models in the same way the leading American companies are.
[1] https://www.interconnects.ai/p/kimi-k3-the-open-weights-esca... | | |
| ▲ | whywhywhywhy 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It probably was distilled but the point is why is that an issue at all, Claude is just distilled from all our work. Why is stealing our work fine but stealing Anthropic's work bad. Anyone doing so should have zero guilt because it was already stolen goods to begin with. |
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| ▲ | est 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > China can (and does) use the models to influence the west OK now that's false information. You can uncensor, tweak or fine-tune open-weight models, but not so easy on a proprietary model from some cloud provider. |
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| ▲ | inigyou 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's probably true (why wouldn't it be?) but the missing context is that the US does it even more. |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 1) I'm not using AI to bicker over fringe political shibboleths. 2) I don't think it is any more or less safe to put my code on a Chinese server versus an American one. A Chinese provider also isn't liable to spy on me for the feds, as OpenAI and Anthropic certainly do. |
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| ▲ | sanex 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | Different county different feds both spying I'm sure. | | |
| ▲ | margalabargala 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sure but if you are not Chinese or in China, then the chances of negative consequences to you from the Chinese feds is vanishingly small due to lack of ability to do anything that affects you. Meanwhile if you are in the US, DHS has already subpoenaed social media sites looking for people who made anti-ICE posts and I can't imagine they consider subpoenaing AI conversations off limits https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/13/technology/dhs-anti-ice-s... |
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| ▲ | pwn0 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 1. Get the free Chinese model.
2. Jailbreak it
3. ???
4. Profit? |
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| ▲ | walrus01 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > 1) China can (and does) use the models to influence the west. They train in false information about Taiwan and Hong Kong. Or pretend like history is in favor of China. One of the interesting things is that through a fairly rudimentary process which is being done by 3rd party amateurs who've downloaded the open models, models like Qwen 3.6 35B-A3B (or 27B) can be fully 'uncensored' when turned into GGUF files. I have an uncensored Q8 version of Qwen 3.6 35B-A3B here that will very happily output information about Tiananmen Square, Uyghurs, human rights in China, or indeed can even be instructed to write an intentionally absurd vitriolic screed against the CCP. The same uncensored 27B (dense) will do the same, just at a slower token/s rate. Similarly there's 'uncensored' variants of Gemma4 31B and other western trained models, which once put through the same process, will also discuss or write just about anything you want, bypassing whatever internal guard rails were attempted in the training data set. edit: more concerning, and a very legit concern, is that a model is only as good as the sum total of its training dataset, so if something is trained on a steady diet of news sources like Peoples Daily, Xinhuanet and similar in the English language, then it'll have a greater percentage of CCP-approved media publications in its training dataset. No amount of uncensoring it will help with that after the fact. |
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| ▲ | podgorniy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Somehow chineese make less troubles and more good to the world than americans at this point... Something something about ai benefiting all humanity, something something ai being open and stuff, like OpenAI. Chineese simply delivering what americans promised. Tell me: why is EU safe from Trump forcing AI companies to cut access to EU? |
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| ▲ | 999900000999 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Regarding 1. We’re literally tearing down monuments to slavery and civil rights. Religion is now determining law in much of the nation. Having a miscarriage? Good luck since politicians have decided their God doesn’t want you to have access to basic healthcare. The government has defacto control over domestic LLMs. Let’s worry about our own historical record. |
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| ▲ | Jackpillar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Or pretend like history is in favor of China." What does this even mean? |
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| ▲ | inigyou 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Like it will tell you the PRC (current China) was right to go to civil war with ROC (former China, current Taiwan) |
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| ▲ | traceroute66 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > China can (and does) use the models to influence the west. They train in false information about Taiwan and Hong Kong. Or pretend like history is in favor of China. I am not Chinese and I'm not defending the Chinese, but I see this argument come up a lot. In practical terms it is US-sponsored FUD. Why ? Because the hard reality is that what you say is simply not going to affect 99.9999999999% of users. Is it realistically going to affect anyone using an LLM in coding ? No. Is it realistically going to affect anyone using an LLM in $anything_else_not_politically_sensitive ? No. Does anyone seriously use LLMs for researching politically sensitive matters ? No. Just as there is plenty of information out there on the US's less than perfect history, there is also plenty of information out there on the various Chinese politically sensitive matters. You do not need a Chinese LLM to find out about it, all you need is a search engine. |
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| ▲ | girvo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | People absolutely use LLMs to research politically sensitive topics. I wish they wouldn’t, but people use LLMs as their general search engines now. | | |
| ▲ | traceroute66 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > People absolutely use LLMs to research politically sensitive topics. Note I used the word "seriously", I meant it in its fullest form, i.e. serious people. I'm not interested in what-if arguments based on "you can't fix stupid". Stupid people also blindly believe whatever a US LLM tells them without any form of verification, hallucinations and all. Most people on this planet would agree that a Chinese LLM is perfectly usable for all tasks except asking about politically sensitive matters. And for most people on the planet, that is just fine. They can get their political information elsewhere. |
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