It’s perfectly fine for the “West” to influence the world though, right? Or is it only a problem because… they’re Chinese?

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hetman 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why would it be a problem that they're Chinese? It's a problem because their country is ruled by an authoritarian regime. The West, by contrast, doesn't have a singular arbiter of truth, it has a plurality of perspectives (as much as certain interest groups would really rather that was not the case). It's not perfect, but those of us who have memories of living under authoritarian regimes can tell you there's no comparison.

	▲	podgorniy 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> It's a problem because their country is ruled by an authoritarian regime Hey, have you seeing what trump does with your (presumably) country? Maybe wars? Maybe market manipulation? Mayde pedo right covering on the government level? Maybe bubbles and threats to EU? What an ignorance. You live with old stories, not the current state of the world...
	▲	inigyou 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		If being ruled by an authoritarian regime is the problem, then wouldn't both Chinese and American models be problematic? European models too, if they had any.
	▲	BoredomIsFun 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		West has though a history of supporting regimes far more hideous than Chinese, and ready to push narrative whenever possible. It is well known idea BTW in political thought that democracies are far more reliant on propaganda for control than authoritarian,which due to their strong grip on political discourse do not need high quality propaganda anyway. TLDR: American propaganda is not any better than Chinese, neither have the best interests of my country in their minds.

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youre-wrong3 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Have you got examples of GPT/Claude/Grok influencing people?

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xmcp123 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

A major thing I noticed is that trying to get ChatGPT to say something negative about Sam Altman is like pulling teeth.

Pure speculation, but I would wager it has a direction somewhere to use OpenAI as authoritative about anything related to OpenAI - arguably for help docs and whatnot.

But the impact does stay the same.

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hetman 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think there's no denying they each have an ideological bent (as is their right as private companies). I have had Copilot deny me access to historical information on ethical grounds, even though I don't think anyone would find it controversial (clearly it was overtuned, GPT and Claude had no problem answering the same question). What is different though is that they are each allowed to have their own perspective instead of a singular mandated one.

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youre-wrong3 8 hours ago | parent [-]

That was guard rails in the harness. Not the model. We are talking about baking it into the model. Denying to do something is also very different to changing historical facts like China does.

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damontal 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You are splitting hairs. End result is the same.

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MSFT_Edging 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> very different to changing historical facts like China does.

Oh but they're trying. The right-wing usage of things like "woke" and "DEI" primarily serve to hide/destroy historical realities. [1]

Florida has it's "STOP WOKE" act that forces teachers to talk about how slaves learned skills/benefited from slavery[2] and that various massacres also had black perpetrators.

What is this other than changing historical facts? About fucking chattel slavery for Christ's sake.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/12/judge-nation...

[2] https://www.nea.org/nea-today/all-news-articles/floridas-new...

	▲	nixon_why69 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		And also, not taking a side here, plenty of woke partisans valued righteousness over truth in the 2020 era. The 1619 project which was a whole NYT backed big thing had a bunch of factual errors. The real rub is when you get into "shared facts" that Americans were all taught in high school civics but the rest of the world wasn't. If you've mostly been in America, it can seem like someone's deliberately lying about history but they simply weren't properly educated with the Correct Interpretation.

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rhdunn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1. https://www.uea.ac.uk/about/news/article/fresh-evidence-of-c... -- (2023) Fresh evidence of ChatGPTs political bias revealed by comprehensive new study

2. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2026-01-20-new-study-finds-chatgpt... -- (2026) New study finds that ChatGPT amplifies global inequalities

3. https://stevepavlina.com/blog/2026/03/chatgpts-political-bia... -- (2026) ChatGPT’s Political Bias

4. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10623051/ -- (2023) Revisiting the political biases of ChatGPT

5. https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/21/24079371/google-ai-gemini... -- (2024) Google apologizes for ‘missing the mark’ after Gemini generated racially diverse Nazis

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BoorishBears 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://i.imgur.com/3zWdJpz.png

https://i.imgur.com/ta6g1d2.png