| ▲ | est a day ago |
| I think people should get over with "file formats" Cloud/browser based office tools were already a thing decade ago. Do we have an open format except .md ? Sadly no. Afterall, format is just a way to serialize features. |
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| ▲ | Gigachad a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Cloud based tools are even worse than proprietary file formats for lock in. |
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| ▲ | m4rtink a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So lets have all your data vendor locked in a cloud somewhere so that the corp runnning it can milk you for ever or just decide to delete it all on a whim ? Perfect! |
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| ▲ | noir_lord a day ago | parent [-] | | There is an entire generation who have grown up with the cloud and just see that as the default because it is. Which isn’t to say that everyone in that generation thinks the cloud is the sensible way to do it or that prior generations didn’t (it wouldn’t have “won”). My boy only understands what a file system is because I explained it to him, all his tech (with the exception of his gaming PC) might as well be magic black boxes for the amount of understanding he has on how it works. |
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| ▲ | MattPalmer1086 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ummm... OpenDocument, which is an ISO standard? https://www.oasis-open.org/tc-opendocument/ |
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| ▲ | inigyou a day ago | parent [-] | | Standard doesn't mean good. Win32 is a better API than POSIX. MSOffice used to work much better than LibreOffice. Linux is better than UNIX. | | |
| ▲ | MattPalmer1086 a day ago | parent [-] | | You will be relieved to learn it is also good. I have used it for years without issue - standard format for libreoffice / openoffice. It is a much better thought out document standard than Microsoft's abomination. |
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| ▲ | preisschild a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| And what if those "cloud based office tools", which would be using proprietary file formats internally, shut down? Or heck, what if they announce to raise their pricing? All of your docs gone. No possibility to migrate. |
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| ▲ | est a day ago | parent [-] | | Hmm, I believe there're many open-source self-hostable office solutions. And they don't share a universal format. | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse a day ago | parent | next [-] | | When the original application is open source, its format is public and anyone who wants to create a converter to another format can either use the original code or inspect it to see how the format works. When the format is proprietary, you get a blob of binary data that you have to reverse engineer through guesswork, made orders of magnitude more difficult if the original service isn't even available anymore. | | |
| ▲ | est a day ago | parent [-] | | The problem reminds me of pdf, the format is well known, there are tons of third-party readers, but they all glitch somewhat differently. Also PDF is turing complete. Modern rich content formats are hard. Open formats solves only small part of the problem. I think the universal interchangable format is static HTML. | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse a day ago | parent [-] | | PDF is a mess because it's an ancient originally-proprietary format based on a proprietary language and the Adobe "standard" didn't actually specify a lot of important things for a long time, leaving other implementations to try to reverse engineer them. Meanwhile you look at actual standard formats like PNG or UTF-8 or, as you say, HTML, and the implementations generally do a lot better because there is a proper spec. |
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| ▲ | preisschild a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | The Collabora Online Suite for example just uses the OpenDocument formats |
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