I am not a lawyer, but if they don't appeal and win, it will set a precedent that they'd (and other companies) have to pay out on any other employees fired for this reason. That will cost them more in the long run.

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nashadelic 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s depressing how the tech ecosystem works as a self-reinforcing cartel against workers for statusquo preservation. Yes, it’s rational from the tech industry as a whole’s POV, there’s little to no chance a single individual can really stand against such machinery

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IcyWindows 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Each side has incredible freedom. There are downsides to them.

Employees can take up a huge amount of resources and then leave before costs are recovered.

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danaris 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, indeed: the rich and poor alike have freedom from being allowed to sleep under bridges.

Come on; there are such obvious imbalances of power here that "each side has incredible freedom" is blatantly misleading.

On the one hand, you have each individual software engineer (because heaven forbid we should ever join unions! Those are for people who aren't A+ 10x alpha coders and negotiators, amirite?), every one of whom needs a salary so they can afford food, clothing, shelter, etc.

On the other hand, you have a group of the most wealthy and powerful countries the world has ever seen, who openly work together, have the ear of the flagrantly-corrupt president, and could coast on their cash reserves for, in some cases, many years even if every single customer decided to boycott them all at once.

And you think that "each side has incredible freedom" is a meaningful statement here...?

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Freedom2 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think this is a salient point people are missing. This incredible freedom is equal on both sides, just as how companies are able to spread that risk around with multiple employees, it is common these days to have multiple jobs just in case of a layoff or other notable event where your job is lost.

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Grombobulous 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I am doing a double take reading your comment and the parent comment of yours. They’re just so wildly corporate-biased.

I’m really not sure how we can conclude that the freedom is symmetrical.

The fact that this story made national news says everything about how rare it is for an employer to win a case like this. In most cases you just get fired for any reason with no notice or off-ramp. The employer is just always correct by default and you can easily be denied unemployment insurance because the company cooked up some official looking documents showing that you were fired with cause.

A corporation can spread risk by having 1,000 employees. I can’t have 1,000 jobs. It’s just not equal on both sides.

I mean, “incredible freedom is equal on both sides,” in the only developed country where there’s no mandatory paid parental leave and basic healthcare access depends on employment? Spare me.

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IcyWindows 3 hours ago | parent [-]

My comments are not "corporate-biased", they are business owner biased, which includes small businesses.

Employment is an free arrangement between two entities, not a modern day serfdom where the employers are now responsible for their serfs housing, food, etc.

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		We can’t exactly say this isn’t a serfdom in a country where the majority of people depend on employer benefits to get access to affordable healthcare. Small businesses definitely feel a squeeze that bigger companies don’t, but they’re not saints to be put on a pedestal, either. In that regard, small businesses get a ton of carve-outs. For example, they don’t have to pay healthcare benefits to full time employees. They are exempt from a slew of regulations targeted at larger businesses. I don’t really have the same reverence for small businesses that a lot of people do. They’re just companies. Some are good, some are bad. When you work for one, there’s still a power distance between you and the owner. I find that many small business owners are taking things way too personally. Their business is their baby and therefore any employee that doesn’t have a grindset like them is taking advantage of them. The small businesses I respect are the ones that move toward employee ownership. Employees who own the company care about the company and don’t try to screw it over. Problem solved.

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gruez 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trial courts can't set precedents. Only appellate courts can.

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decimalenough 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Trust me, other companies are watching this case already and will adjust accordingly.

Of course, they won't stop firing employees who point out inconvenient truths, they'll just be more careful about the reasons they put in writing.

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arcbyte 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's not really true at all. You just think that because you never hear about it. Stare decisis still applies at a trial level, but its scope is obviously much narrower. Moreover, most things really aren't that novel. Most importantly, its quite hard to research on this level and usually pointless because theres usually a higher level case anyway.

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		It is just persuasive precedent so any other court, or even the same court when dealing with case involving different parties, can ignore it.

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antonvs 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> That will cost them more in the long run.

Only if customers don’t care about your labor practices. For me this story screams “Don’t Use or Recommend Atlassian - in fact, strongly advise against it.”