| ▲ | Scientists find molecular-level evidence for two structures in liquid water(phys.org) |
| 93 points by wglb 7 hours ago | 48 comments |
| https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-026-03301-8 |
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| ▲ | Ericson2314 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| This neural network stuff does give me real divination vibes, not gonna lie. |
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| ▲ | le-mark 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Somewhat related is the hydration shell around molecules especially proteins. It’s been shown that semi structured water around proteins help guide molecules to reaction sites. Water is an amazing thing! |
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| ▲ | wglb 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Study published in Nature Physics: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-026-03301-8 |
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| ▲ | VladVladikoff 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >The boundary between them is thought to terminate at a "second critical point." This deeply supercooled region is so hard to study experimentally because water crystallizes rapidly This sounds like the type of thing that could be used for some future technology that doesn’t exist yet and I can’t comprehend. Some sort of process that takes advantage of being in this second critical state. |
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| ▲ | harimau777 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It would be hilarious if homeopathy turned out to be right! (To be clear, I don't think that will actually happen, but it would be hilarious if it did!) |
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| ▲ | vermilingua 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can be sure they’ll start using this paper as “evidence” all the same. | | | |
| ▲ | analog31 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | While on the topic of weird theories of water, there's always Polywater: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywater | |
| ▲ | qsera an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Wait, wouldn't it just be "Oh, science just made a mistake, and that is how it progresses"... Despite the "consensus" thoroughly "debunking" it conclusively many times... Also, if it ever happens, I think it would be during course of many decades that all the existing "scientists" can save their faces, and new generations won't care about "Science" being wrong once again, despite all the projections of "certainity" back then.. | |
| ▲ | aand16 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Don't know about right, but for a while it worked better than "regular" medicine. At least it wouldn't kill you, when the alternative was intensive bloodlettings and purgatives. | | |
| ▲ | bonesss 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | As I recall homeopathy does pretty fine statistically compared to many treatments. Not because the water does anything, but because the provider has time, and talks to patients about their problems and life. A lot of doctors are shoving people out the door based on their first thought inside a short appointment as they type up a prescription. Homeopathy is ineffective kookery, but our medical system has some well known gaps. | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > for a while it worked better than "regular" medicine. At least it wouldn't kill you Homeopathy was invented after the discovery of germ theory [1][2]. So not really. And homeopathy has always suffered from an adulteration problem. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy | | |
| ▲ | Alex3917 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Homeopathy was invented after the discovery of germ theory [1][2]. So not really. Germ Theory was only finally accepted (after initially being rejected) due to the advent of evidence-based medicine, which homeopathy popularized. | | | |
| ▲ | Retric 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | As an idea sure, but not in practice. Homeopathy was created in 1796, and we still haven’t gotten rid of it. Meanwhile 65 years later https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis The maternal mortality rate dropped from 18% to less than 2%, and he published a book of his findings, Etiology, Concept and Prophylaxis of Childbed Fever, in 1861. | | |
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| ▲ | pryce 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Homeopathic medicine is a discredited theoretical explanation for a phenomenon that empirical testing shows does not exist. For 'homeopathy' to be right, it would need the to become 'right' twice -
first: new data would need to begin existing, and then second: the homeopathic mechanisms would need to become the most plausible explanation for that data | | |
| ▲ | qsera an hour ago | parent [-] | | >empirical testing shows does not exist.. But what are the incentives of those who did those tests? That should be said in the same breath as you say "empirical testing/evidence". | | |
| ▲ | adrianN 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Imagine the number of citations you could get for a solid double blind study that showed homeopathy to beat placebo. The only better impact I could imagine would be showing that climate change doesn’t actually exist. | | |
| ▲ | qsera 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Mmmm..the question is..who would fund it. And if someone funded it, who would publish it... | | |
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| ▲ | hyperhello 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Homeopathic medicine is already recommended by 1 out of 1000000000000000000 doctors. | | |
| ▲ | qsera an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Are those commodity doctors? Or real doctors? | |
| ▲ | not_a_bot_4sho 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nice, this comment broke my composure. | |
| ▲ | aeonik 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Homeopathy actually works great depending on what you use it for: I've been trying homeopathic vodka and it's done wonders for my health. | |
| ▲ | etchalon 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Stealing this forever. |
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| ▲ | nine_k 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Vaccines is homeopathy working, in a way :) | |
| ▲ | OutOfHere 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is no basis to suggest that any product uses this property of water. As for homeopathy, it isn't one thing. The effects, if any, can vary greatly by the substance and the concentration. Some low-dilution products work and many high-dilution products don't. There is such a thing as excessive dilution. Anyone who is painting a simpler picture of it is almost certainly wrong. | | |
| ▲ | DrBazza an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | If I add water to a glass of whiskey and dilute it, why don't I get twice as drunk? | | |
| ▲ | qsera an hour ago | parent [-] | | But you can drink a lot more that way and get way more drunk! |
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| ▲ | jiggawatts 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Homeopathy is very literally the singular concept that more diluted medicine works better. Saying that “less diluted works better” is saying the diametric opposite of what Homeopathic “theory” does! | | |
| ▲ | OutOfHere 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You're speaking of classical homeopathy, not practical observation. In practice there are many homeopathic products with varying dilutions, many of which have a meaningful amount of the substance, and therefore the distinct possibility of a biological effect. | | |
| ▲ | BobbyTables2 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Agree! Someone once told me that homeopathic doctors often put significant amounts of allopathic medicine in their “homeopathic” concoctions. Does wonders for effectiveness! Perpetuating the classical myth in this manner is also great for business! Of course, there are also a number of cases where western “supplements” were caught containing actual prescription medicine, not just natural precursors or such. Same idea… | |
| ▲ | jiggawatts 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sure, but homeopaths would consider the less diluted ones to be the weaker “medicine”! |
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| ▲ | mefistofeles 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Sadly paper is behind paywall. But I question the choosing of the water model to be a 4-site, and why that specific 4-site one (TIP4P) instead of others that have shown to be more accurate such as OPC. Also, there seem to be previous experimental work (https://arxiv.org/abs/1304.2877) showing some evidence that apparently is not even referenced in this new paper. I wonder how does that compare, if at all. |
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| ▲ | potatosalad99 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So the OTA firmware updates on my dehumidifier for when they discover a new kind of water will come in handy after all! |
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| ▲ | aljgz 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Dehumidifiers will end up being more efficient in one mode. When the manufacturer creates the new ones, a firmware update moves all legacy devices to the less efficient mode. | |
| ▲ | felooboolooomba 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nah, IFIFY: So the OTA firmware updates on my dehumidifier is for when they make a new kind of dehumidifier that they want me to buy! |
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| ▲ | boothby 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So if liquid water is really a mixture of water and water, is it safe to say that this paper establishes that water is wet? |
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| ▲ | doctorpangloss 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "In a neural network." is the new "In mice." |
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| ▲ | cwmoore 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Great to see progress on ice-9 /s |
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| ▲ | zer00eyz 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | "I have been a writer since 1949. I am self-taught. I have no theories about writing that might help others. When I write, I simply become what I seemingly must become. I am six feet two and weigh nearly two hundred pounds and am badly coordinated, except when I swim. All that borrowed meat does the writing.
In the water I am beautiful." ― Kurt Vonnegut, Welcome to the Monkey House |
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| ▲ | cellular 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Density is greatest at 39F, not 32F" But density at "greatest" would mean volume shrinking...right? I don't understand the article's logic. |
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| ▲ | appreciatorBus 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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