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xrd a day ago

Up until now these crazy cases have been rejected by the courts. But this feels like a crack in the dam. A judge actually sentenced someone to 30 years for hiding zines, zines that had been published for years. This was under the pretense hiding those zines was hiding evidence of criminality. And the criminality was worth 75 years. For someone who was at a protest where a federal agent was shot, but was not the shooter.

Does anyone have a link to details on the case because there must have been more details, like these two were accused of planning a murder in advance, because otherwise this seems insane. It seems insane no matter what, but if this was a judge making a bunch of logical leaps while guided by DOJ lawyers, something is really broken

appreciatorBus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think all of this hinges on whether or not you think it was a protest. If they had been peacefully sitting outside the facility holding signs, I think you'd have a case that the sentencing is insane. But if they were actively planning a break-in & preparing to use deadly force, that's quite another matter. I haven't spent a lot of timing reading about it, but what I have read suggests it was much closer to the latter.

lelandfe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Prairieland_ICE_detention...

devmor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From what I read, the person who was arrested for transporting zines was not even at the protest or part of the group - just the husband of one of the protestors.

paisawalla 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You actually are not allowed to conceal evidence that your wife committed a crime.

axus an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If I were transporting copies of this magazine, am I concealing evidence? What is special about this guy? Is there anything he could have legally transported, or is everything she's written banned?

The irony of The Intercept requiring my identity is funny.

glitch003 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

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anigbrowl 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

And you think that's worth a 30 year sentence? I think the founders of the US would disagree.

Also worth noting that the husband did not conceal evidence of the wife committing a crime. Having political zines isn't illegal. The zines were circumstantial evidence that the prosecution wanted to use to characterize her general political views. They had no direct relation to the events at the ICE detention center.

felixgallo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

'they' is doing a lot of work. This guy wasn't even there.

ipython 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Unfortunately, the administration wants it both ways- if you were on the Capitol grounds on January 6, 2021, you were simply part of a "peaceful tour group". If you stand to the side of an ICE agent in Minneapolis, you are a "domestic terrorist", deserve to be murdered in cold blood, and any attempts to investigate further will be stonewalled.

So it's hard to take their characterization seriously when they have demonstrated that there is a clear double standard, depending on whether you are a FoT (Friend of Trump).

selectodude 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

“For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.”

Oscar R. Benavides

RickJWagner 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nobody shot at cops on Jan 6.

Are you talking about the guy that brought a gun to the protest in Minneapolis?

Bringing guns to protests ups the ante considerably.

paisawalla 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just to be clear, the Prairieland case involves defendants:

- coordinating using a Signal group

- bringing firearms, body armor, and first aid kits to a location just outside a federal facility

- taking up a concealed position along a tree line

- throwing fireworks to distract and lure agents

- shooting a police officer in the neck

Readers should be aware of these facts: they bear on whether your comparison here is offered sincerely.

ipython 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Just to be clear, the January 6 defendants:

- were a group of at least 1000 people

- who, among other things, erected a noose on the capitol grounds, brought zip ties and weapons

- forcefully overran several capital police barricades intended to deter their entrance

- used any weapon available including poles etc to violently attack any police in their way

Granted they did not explicitly shoot any federal agents with a firearm, but in the J6 case, I’d say I’d lay blame for the subsequent deaths of the police officers who did die at the hands of the rioters.

To be clear I do not condone violence in either case.

However those 1000+ individuals on January 6 were ultimately pardoned for their actions. The family of one was in fact paid $5 million in taxpayer money because she was shot in a vain attempt to repel the crowd.

Why then should these defendants be treated completely differently? One gets the law, the other has their convictions overturned completely and history rewritten in their favor.

Btw I do not believe the individual who was charged in the article shot the federal agent or was part of the “concealed position” etc. So bringing that up is just an appeal to brush that individual with the actions of others.

dmurray 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Why then should these defendants be treated completely differently? One gets the law, the other has their convictions overturned completely and history rewritten in their favor.

The Jan 6 rioters did "get the law". They got sentenced collectively to thousands of years in prison, and many of them served 3 years of that.

Then they "got the law" again when someone sympathetic to their aims was democratically elected to the one position that can grant federal pardons. That power has a history of being used for political allies long before Trump. Perhaps that will happen to some of the ICE protestors too.

paisawalla 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sorry to disagree with a venerable python shell like this, but even if I accept your entire characterization here, these two situations look nothing alike.

> - were a group of at least 1000 people

> Granted they did not explicitly shoot any federal agents with a firearm, but in the J6 case, I’d say I’d lay blame for the subsequent deaths of the police officers who did die at the hands of the rioters.

Oh ok, so you grant we're talking about completely different scales of intention, personal responsibility, and outcomes, but you want to keep making this comparison? Because you think it's nuanced and informative?

ipython 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So you’re telling me the jan6 defendants had no intention to cause harm to the lawmakers? Actual people died on jan6- nobody died at prarieland afaik.

Have you seen the footage from the riots? They clobbered the shit out of the police trying to protect the lawmakers inside the capitol.

For example this guy: https://i.insider.com/6009c83521f52a0018cb9e21?width=1200&fo...

I’m sure he was just on his way to rebundle some loose cat5 cable down the hall with his zip ties.

And the person who is the subject of this article, did he personally commit all the acts you listed?

iamnothere 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

For clarity, only people who died on Jan 6th were protestors. The police officer who died on the 7th had a stroke. The two who died later were suicides. It’s negligent to conceal these facts.

(Note for clarity, almost everybody posting in this thread on every side is doing this kind of thing. Just move on to the “years of lead” phase already.)

anigbrowl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The different scale of intention was to overturn the results of a federal general election, effectively a coup to seize back control over the government. I can see why you consider the incident in Texas to be terrorism, but you want to ignore the entire point of the J6 event and pretend it was just some normal event where a few participants got a little out of hand? Get real.

goatlover an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Give me a beak. The J6 rioters wanted to hang the Vice President and members of Congress. They had violent intent.

cucumber3732842 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How many federal agitators were present in both groups?

I'm dead serious. I assume every event like this is lousy with feds egging people on.

ipython an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Ugh let’s not get all conspiracy theory up in here. Show me real evidence of that and I’ll believe you.

Until then - to say at the same time - the Feds are so incompetent and also the Feds are organizing an elaborate secret network of agitators to be at all major protests and riots - let’s just say the logic doesn’t logic.

mothballed 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

They are incompetent at catching crime generated by other people. They're very good at catching crime they generate themselves.

malcolmgreaves an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Trump helped organize and encourage the January 6th insurrection. He was president during the insurrection. So yes, there was a lot of federal Republican help during that one.

joe_mamba 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>Granted they did not explicitly shoot any federal agents

Then you admit that makes it completely different.

>However those 1000+ individuals on January 6 were ultimately pardoned for their actions

Biden also pardoned Fauci for lying about Covid, his son, amongst other people. They're all equally crooked but somehow HN only remembers Trump's crimes.

ipython 2 hours ago | parent [-]

No the jan6 rioters just used poles and batons and such to beat the shit out of police- some who died afterward.

https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?si=zDKJcly9KMBY_GgJ

I mean - seriously? It’s ok to do this?

joe_mamba 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So did anti-ICE protestors. Meaning both need to get arrested by the same yardstick. HN was ok when J6 got arrested but not OK wehn anti ICE rioters get arrested. Double standards much?

Meanwhile both political sides rob you blind but you feel the need to take sides and argue which side of corrupt pedos you think represents you when neither do.

ipython an hour ago | parent [-]

Shifting the goal posts. I’m talking about the selective prosecution and you’ve tried to equate that with hn sentiment. Does it really matter what the double standard is for a bunch of keyboard warriors arguing over imaginary internet points? No! But it makes a shit ton of difference when the state, with a monopoly on violence and justice, makes a public showing over its double standard. That double standard has impacts on the freedom and lives of people.

And your nihilism is exactly how we got into this mess in the first place. “They all suck, so why not elect the clown and see how much he can shake things up”.

joe_mamba an hour ago | parent [-]

> “They all suck, so why not elect the clown and see how much he can shake things up”.

I didn't say that, I just called out the overall HN hypocrisy on sniffing out only Trump crimes but ignoring identical democrat crimes.

ipython an hour ago | parent | next [-]

So again the hn hypocrisy doesn’t matter. The only thing on the line for me is whether my imaginary internet points balance increases or decreases.

The feds on the other hand have the power to send you to federal prison or to pardon you and literally pay you off.

Given that we don’t have God himself running for president, we have to suffice with imperfect representation. And so yes I end up picking a side because that’s the system we have at the moment.

As to your point about “picking sides” - why aren’t you upset about the pardons yourself in that matter? Shouldn’t they be held accountable?

mingus88 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

HN is a collection of people with varying viewpoints and backgrounds posting arbitrarily throughout the day. There is no single position to be hypocritical of.

The “Hypocrisy” you are experiencing here is just you having to sort through other people’s opinions and getting upset at the ones that disagree with yours.

anigbrowl an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Your partisanship is extremely obvious, please stop insulting everyone's intelligence.

Rebelgecko 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fwiw some of the people sentenced to decades in prison went home before your bullet points happened.

And although the second amendment may not cover first aid kits, that's a super lame justification for sending people to prison for the rest of their lives. I guess it's a good thing Boy Scout troops don't coordinate over signal or they'd all be locked up.

OutOfHere 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Huh. None of your first three points is meant to be illegal.

- coordinating using a Signal group

- bringing firearms, body armor, and first aid kits to a location just outside a federal facility

- taking up a concealed position along a tree line

For you to even list them shows a fascist bent.

As for fireworks, they might not be illegal either. The only possible crime is the shooting, and only if it was not done in self defense.

paisawalla 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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ipython 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I do want violent criminals prosecuted. But the problem is that there is a very clear signal given that prosecution is highly selective.

I made my point earlier - if this administration cared about prosecuting violent criminals, they would never have even considered pardoning the J6 criminals. They would additionally call for swift and thorough investigations on the use of force against the killings of protesters in Minneapolis in order to ensure that law enforcement is seen as accountable to the public.

But none of that has happened. And won’t happen. It astounds me that this hypocrisy isn’t screaming like nails on a chalkboard!

paisawalla 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't accept that J6 involved over one thousand violent criminals and you seem to be incredulous that others don't hold this prior.

You also seem unwilling to acknowledge severe differences in the grade of violence being discussed, even when you begrudgingly admit that such differences exist (but then caveat them with your own speculative conclusions)

If you constrain your analysis to: who is a violent actor, and how severe was the violent act in question, I think you can produce a more reasonable comment tbf. As is, your comment seems quite unreasonable as you don't believe anyone else can see these obvious and material differences.

anigbrowl 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The J6 crowd broke into and overran the legislature to prevent the Constitutional transfer of power from one President to another, following a rally organized by the President that was about to lose power. You are talking like it was a coincidence that they just happened to be there and spontaneously decided to do some trespassing for fun.

If you constrain your analysis to: who is a violent actor, and how severe was the violent act in question, I think you can produce a more reasonable comment tbf.

OK. Let's look at this case of a guy who actually murdered a security guard at a federal building in cold blood, for political reasons, in a drive-by shooting that was organized in advance using the internet. He got 41 years, vs this other guy getting 100 years for attempted murder.

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/11/1080311940/alleged-boogaloo-m...

ipython an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ok sure not every of the 1500 people pardoned by Trump could be considered “violent”. Have you watched the videos? There’s definitely more than one.

And you’re shifting the goalposts by implying (falsely) that the person covered in the article also personally committed all the offences you mentioned earlier, including shooting a federal officer.

And don’t just take my word for it. There is a good amount of recidivism by those who received pardons. Almost 100 have subsequently been charged with other crimes, including child molestation. I’d consider someone who, after getting pardoned for the j6 riot, continuing on to diddle kids, a violent criminal.

> Perhaps most strikingly, five recipients of presidential clemency were arrested in connection with conduct that occurred at least in part subsequent to Trump’s freeing them from prison—meaning that Trump’s clemency order on the first day of his second term may have actively facilitated criminal conduct. These include:

> Andrew Paul Johnson, who was freed from prison as a result of the pardon in 2025, was convicted of five charges, including child molestation, in February 2026, and sentenced to life in prison. The criminal conduct for which he was convicted took place both before and after his pardon.

> Zachary Alam, who was convicted of felony charges of grand larceny and burglary just months after his pardon.

> Ryan Nichols, who was charged with deadly conduct and harassment on May 10, 2026, after allegedly threatening a person with a gun in a church parking lot.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-jan-6-pardons--how-...

malcolmgreaves an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

J6 was organized as a violent insurrection from the beginning.

ipython 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Btw -

> If you want to concede that it's fascist to want violent criminals prosecuted,

I believe it is fascist to bring trumped up charges for ridiculousness. Say for example the case of “sandwich guy” who the DoJ spent three attempts at a grand jury to bring federal charges. For throwing a fully loaded Subway sandwich at a kitted out ICE officer.

Started by sending a full swat team of twenty armed agents to his apartment. Complete with a slickly produced propaganda video for your enjoyment! https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1956114803295953325

Mind you this is, once again, for the violent crime of throwing an Italian hoagie at a federal officer with full body armor.

Then they failed to get a grand jury to indict him on felony assault … finally charging him with misdemeanor assault.

Thankfully he was acquitted.

Tell me that’s not fascist.

ndsipa_pomu 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I think if you append "with the intention to commit a violent crime" to each item on the list, you'll see the issue.

That's problematic as you could literally append that to any action and thus condemn it as illegal e.g. met to have some coffees and a chat ... with the intention to commit a violent crime.

The problem is that there's not necessarily any connection between the activity and the alleged violent crime - that's what needs to be proven such as highlighting specific signal conversations that were evidence of planning the crime.

Also, what is problematic about first aid kits? How is being in a "concealed" position problematic?

OutOfHere 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I think if you append "with the intention to commit a violent crime" to each item on the list, you'll see the issue.

No, that doesn't fly, and the intent isn't clear. Even if there were intent, those three bullet points still are not an crime or valid charges. As a member of the jury, I would reject them 100%.

Extending your pitiful logic just a few steps, people would be locked up for 30 years just for being born.

> If you want to concede that it's fascist to want violent criminals prosectued

No relation. Violent crime must of course be prosecuted, but it shouldn't have to depend on trumped up charges or weak accusations of intent.

goatlover an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

ICE has behaved as violent criminals during Trump's 2nd term. Renee Good and Alex Pretty were murders. There have been other shootings ICE initiated. How many have died in ICE facilities under suspicious circumstances?

wmf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This cuts both ways. Trump pardoned J6ers so a future Democrat may feel justified in pardoning Antifa.

ipython 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can anyone seriously define “antifa”? What would the pardon read? “Anyone who is anti-fascism is hereby pardoned…”?

Edit: downvoting me doesn’t answer the question. If you have a definition please reply! If nobody can define “antifa” how the heck can you prosecute someone for being a member of it?

wmf an hour ago | parent [-]

It wouldn't be a blanket pardon.

platevoltage 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Imagine having to pardon an anti-fascist in the USA.

compass_copium 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Imagine a Democratic president with a spine like that.

ls612 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Whataboutism

daedrdev 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you think that this was a protest then yeah it's worrying.

The feds case, which they did win convictions based on, was that they were terrorists who set off fireworks to lure police into an ambush, and there weren't more casualties because one of the members shot early and only injured one cop. An accessory to this who hid evidence is also part of the crime in the Feds case

Is this embellished by the Feds? I think so, it seems some of the group did not think this was the plan. But there did seem to be a plan and it did involve bringing guns, setting off fireworks, opening the gate and trying to break out the prisoners, and "not going quietly"

panny 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Up until now these crazy cases have been rejected by the courts.

Left wing sent j6 protestors to the gulag by the hundreds. Then they expect the right wing to go back to playing nice at the prairieland protest? You'll just have to wait for your next Democrat president to pardon them. That's what escalation from both sides have brought about.

throwawayffffas 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> ... like these two were accused of planning a murder in advance, ...

The 30 years is for evidence tampering. The rest have been convicted of various terrorist charges. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Prairieland_ICE_detention...

It's really funny because all of this has played out in the past with people that actually conspired to do all that and more and walked away free. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Smith_sedition_trial

That case, the incredibly bad handling of Ruby Ridge and Waco put a real freeze on the FBI dealing with domestic terrorism, and then the focus moved outward with 9/11.

But now "domestic terrorism" is priority number 1. Enjoy your choices folks.