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doe88 2 hours ago

0-days-vibes-vulns? There should be a new category, for spotting and handling the em-dashes of this brave new world of vulns and making the old fossils like me only picking my head up for the old painfully still hand-crafted artisanal ones instead. A kind of label, like free-range for eggs, in sum.

tyre 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, big pet peeve of the new world. Every em dash is apparently an AI trigger. Back in my day, they were a sign of great respect within my people.

rogerrogerr 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I used to be an em-dash user, but now my opinion is that I’d rather be perceived as someone who does not want to be confused with an LLM. So I’ve changed my writing style.

Wowfunhappy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

My feeling is that my writing doesn't sound anything like an LLM, so if someone thinks I'm an LLM because I used an em-dash, that's on them. That, or I royally screwed up and need to do a better job as a writer. At least with today's LLMs.

theK 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What is the typical motivation to start using em-dashes?

Why go the extra way to have a slightly elongated dash when a normal one would just as well do the job?

I might be conpletely off here but I've never seen a situation where using a normal dash where a long one should be causes any sort of syntactic trouble.

jackp96 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They're just so handy! I do think LLMs tend to use them in a specific way, though.

So maybe tweaking your usage (ex. no spaces around them) or using a technically incorrect en-dash might offer the desired effect while subtly signaling that your message isn't AI-generated.

I still use them — mostly for pauses — but I'd like to think my voice sounds distinct enough from an AI that people can tell.

rplnt an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I've only ever been using "regular" dash, a minus, for that. How do you even type yours? If I ever needed differently-sized dashes (and I don't know the difference between them) I always used wiki to copy them.

(disclaimer: I feel like this obsession with dashes is special to native English speakers, which I'm obviously not)

Syntonicles an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I for one am striving for clarity and couldn't care less about being confused with AI.

However I've only ever used regular dashes. How do you type an em-dash? Is it OS specific? I've taken to using Emacs insert-char with a list of frequently used ones in my scratch buffer. My memory for Unicode is unreliable.

feanaro 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> How do you type an em-dash? Is it OS specific?

On Linux X11 at least, you can enable the Compose key and then press `<Compose>---` which results in — and `<Compose>--.` which gives you –

topgrain2 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Keyboard layout specific. Macs with their default English layout use “option-shift-dash” which is really easy to remember (and relatively discoverable, as such things go) which is why using proper m-dashes (not just double-dashes) used to be a strong indicator a poster was using a Mac, before LLMs took the character over.

On iOS you type it by pressing dash and holding until alternative options come up, same way you type e.g. accented characters.

xp84 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Macs have a native way to do dashes: option- hyphen for en-dash and option shift hyphen for em-dash. On Windows there are some application-specific ways that make sense, e.g. in Office, but outside that you’re on your own and have to use the “hold alt and type the character codes” method! Or charmap.

brookst an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s fine to use em-dashes — just be srre to add typos.

falcor84 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

You can also have the em-dash itself be a typo, e.g. using the figure dash ‒ (U+2012) instead.

998244353 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I now use "ASCII em-dashes" by using two hyphens -- like this. Or--if you prefer no spaces--like this.

rogerrogerr an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Nah, I’ve started noticing people doing this replacement automatically in LLM output. I just try not to write with dashes anymore.

0gs 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

the nn dash remains the goat. the arg dash

VectorLock an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Code switching in the post LLM era.

sva_ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I propose that humans use Unicode U+2E3B three em dash ⸻ it is an impressively long character.

deadbabe an hour ago | parent [-]

let’s market it as “human dash”

And if it ever catches on with LLMs ⸻⸻ we just make it longer

Barbing 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I might like to see a collection of pre-2022 em-dash usage—a subset I suppose of the Low Background Steel category (https://lowbackgroundsteel.ai).

nativeit an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I still use them frequently. On iOS you just tap the hyphen twice, and it inserts an em dash—sorta like that.

sureMan6 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You completely misunderstanding the comment feels like an AI trigger

Dumblydorr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s so they don’t train on AI data, right?

timcobb an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The question is whether the m-dashes are surrounded by spaces or not. The spaces are utterly maddening. But yeah, RIP the mdash, who would have thought.