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TerraPower in Deal with Meta for Eight Natrium 345 MW Advanced Nuclear Plants(neutronbytes.com)
43 points by mpweiher 2 hours ago | 33 comments
nelsondev a minute ago | parent | next [-]

> The eight 345 MW advanced sodium cooled reactors would provide Meta with up to 2.8 GW of carbon-free, baseload energy. Each reactor comes with the Natrium technology’s innovative built-in energy storage system providing the capacity to boost total output to 4 GW of power.

For energy storage, is it storing the hot water, or using batteries to store generated electricity?

pico303 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Their first demonstration reactor is scheduled to go online in 2031. But they’re going to build 8 production reactors, with all the regulatory hurdles, in any reasonable length of time? Right.

The headline should probably be, “Meta invests in nuclear startup” and leave it there. My guess is this deal is quietly swept under the rug when the first reactor fails to go fully online by 2032.

mpweiher an hour ago | parent | next [-]

While Wyoming is a demonstration plant, it is a demonstration plant of exactly the reactor they plan to build in series.

And they have received NRC approval.

https://thebreakthrough.org/press/release-the-nrc-issues-con...

So not sure what additional regulatory hurdles you see. Can you enlighten us?

capnrefsmmat 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

From your link,

> TerraPower must still complete construction, submit an operating license application, and satisfy all applicable safety and regulatory requirements before loading fuel and beginning operations.

nine_k 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Basically the built plant must pass a rigorous inspection before starting operations. But for that the plant needs to be built!

AngryData 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean that doesn't sound like very big hurdles. It is an inspection of a completed reactor to make sure it wasn't managed and built like trash. Every factory and business and powerplant is subject to an inspection before it can operate. Even most residentual homes require an inspection before people can live in it.

lazide 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

It is what typically all reactors get stuck on for years - or often decades.

srmatto 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Didn't the Trump admin put in the same lawyer who helped Uber to "reform" the NRC? I can't find the Bloomberg article but they made it sound like they were going to gut the NRC. To be clear I am not endorsing this, but I read that was happening or they were at least trying.

baq 2 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Capex bubble anyone?

Meta should be a good buy somewhere in $150-$200 area. I guess.

kamranjon 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does anyone understand how Meta is able to spend so much money on AI with basically no AI product to speak of? Especially after sinking billions of dollars into a failed VR product? I just don't really understand why they are investing in data centers, I don't know of any actual product they offer that anyone is seriously considering using in the space.

btbuildem a minute ago | parent | next [-]

Internal use to watch everything and control everything

zipy124 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are many uses for AI other than selling API/chat access. For Meta it can be for example use internally as a software tool, in the same way that they have their own datacenters instead of running on AWS. They can also use them to power recommendation algorithms to increase time on platform. Or they can use them to better target adverts and thus increase the revenue from ads. They can also use them to help people make ads on their platforms etc....

magicmicah85 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The market forgives misadventures cause Meta is still solvent and they make money YoY. Additionally, they are developing heavily in the AI space with making Llama available to the public and all the AI integrations into their products.

SoKamil 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are using the same infinite money glitch as Google - ads revenue.

sandworm101 23 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

They will sell the capacity to others. And building data centers let's them leverage local tax advantages/incentives.

MichaelNolan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Under this commercial agreement, Meta will provide funding to support the deployment of the Natrium plants, with delivery of initial units as early as 2032

The wording there implies some upfront money from Meta, and that this isn’t just a PPA like we normally see.

But with no numbers attached it’s hard to know if it’s a serious investment or just PR fluff.

Octoth0rpe 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> A dual Natrium reactor site can provide 690 MW of reliable 24/7 365 power

Given that they haven’t actually built one, asserting the performance seems inappropriate, _especially_ the uptime which IIRC is far, far higher than is typical for proven designs, let alone a new one.

christina97 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

Well operated, mature nuclear power plants can easily achieve 90%+ uptime. I don’t think this is a huge issue.

nine_k 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

In fact, the uptime of US nuclear power plants was above 90% for the last decade.

And even if a reactor goes offline, a power plant usually operates 2 to 4 reactors, so the entire plant continues operating.

veverkap 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless they hire Homer Simpson.....

testing22321 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Is 90% equal to 24x7, 365?

sandworm101 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes. The refueling takes the most time but that is planned years in advance. A one-year planned outage every decade can still be 24/7/365 in the other nine years.

gopalv an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The name makes me think it is a molten salt reactor, but it uses liquid sodium. Still aptly named.

I was hoping the Thorium molten salt ones with atmospheric pressure vessels would pick up pace thanks to this boom in power demand or Helion would arrive on the scene right on time for this.

eigenspace 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

It is a molten salt reactor, just not a molten salt thorium reactor.

ck2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thorium reactors are the future, safest possible

PBS Space Time explainer

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElulEJruhRQ

ChrisArchitect 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

News from January OP;

Discussion on this and related Meta nuclear moves at the time:

Meta announces nuclear energy projects

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46578497

julcol 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yes, and hopefully all of them will be set up in his garden and his children kindergarten.

Because why somebody else should bear the risk of a nuclear disaster.

This is nonsense. State/society is the last backstop, the last resort insurer in nuclear risk. Why shall we insure nuclear risks so Mark gets richer with more clicks ? again socializing the costs and privatizing de profits.

Not in my backyard.

nine_k 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

This kind of reactor is really hard to blow up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten-salt_reactor#Properties

(Disclaimer: most of my life I lived closer than 50 miles to various major nuclear plants.)

jcgrillo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don't believe you.[0]

[0] https://c.tenor.com/wuKJbik2LcEAAAAM/anchorman-ron-burgundy....

holoduke 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

When I read this I am more convinced that Europe is done. With leaders like Kaja Kallis, Rutte and Ursula it's so blatantly visible that these people can't think further than one minute. It's really time for a breakup so countries are no longer chained to insanity. They are destroying themselves.

Muromec 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Ursula Vonderleyenska is not real and can not harm you

bflesch 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It seems Europe is living rent free in your head, maybe you should talk to a shrink.

petcat 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think that person is in the EU and certainly not living rent free!

But it is a very real concern that there seems to be a total lack of technology investment and innovation across Europe.