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freeAgent 5 hours ago

Ironically, I think the Apple TV is the best streaming box out there. Of course, Apple is both the manufacturer and a streamer in their own right. And they definitely privilege their own store and streaming over other services. However, everything else already sucks so much with UIs chock full of ads that Apple wins anyway. It’s awful.

BLKNSLVR 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I put the Projectivy home screen on my various Android/Google TV devices, which is clean and ad-free.

A couple of older devices it "just works" on. A newer TV with Android built in requires minor adb commands to disable the return of the default home screen, but it's been working for ~6 months, including a TV software update (which my wife initiated and I was worried might turn things to their default status, but didn't).

Apple TV will be my next device if the above becomes locked out.

smackeyacky 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why is it better than the Google TV (new Chromecast). We’ve bought every iteration of these and had no issues whatsoever with them. I don’t notice advertising unless it’s within Prime streams.

The latest Google TV even has an Ethernet port on it which was a welcome addition. Their approach to the universal remote is also great for simple TV setups even with a soundbar involved s long as you use the ARC hdmi port.

I can’t see any advantages the Apple product has.

pier25 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I think the Apple TV is the best streaming box out there

It definitely is.

IMO the only advantage of the Nvidia Shield is better HDMI audio passthrough but it has so many other issues. And with more recent versions of the Plex client for tvOS the lack of audio passthrough is much less of an issue than it used to be (PCM conversion used to introduce sync issues). Also the Plex app for Android TV has been getting consistently worse over the years for me. Plus all the ads Android TV added a couple of years ago. Ugh.

Some of the more exotic boxes out there to run CoreELEC have tehcnically better DV support. These might work if you only want a Plex or Kodi client but for general streaming the Apple TV is just better.

Honestly can't wait for Apple to release a new one. Hopefully with audio passthrough of more codecs.

beastman82 3 hours ago | parent [-]

what are the shield issues? I've had 2 of them for 10 years and I haven't noticed anything.

pier25 2 hours ago | parent [-]

For years it had frame rate issues. Every second or so when watching eg Netflix you would see a micro stutter if the content wasn't at 24fps (eg PAL content at 25fps). I think this was improved recently but it's been years since I've used the Shield for anything but Plex.

As for Plex I've had way too many issues to list. Networking issues, having to restart the Plex app after the device went to sleep, etc. When I switched to using Plex on the Apple TV all the issues went away.

It should be noted that I have re-pasted and cleaned the dust of my Shield a couple of times since I got it 10 years ago.

Rohansi an hour ago | parent [-]

> since I got it 10 years ago

Probably one of the big issues here. It's probably still the best Android TV you can get today but that's really sad because the SoC in it came out in 2015 (with some improvements in 2019). It was probably worse than what was in Apple TV at the time and Apple refreshed it two times since then.

mindtricks 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A few reasons I'm staying positive towards Apple, despite being a streamer themselves, is that they're not large at all. They've currently remained a small, niche content provider of reasonably high-quality content. They don't seem to have the aspirations to be bigger than those on their platform. Also, they have so much increasing oversight on their App Store and decisions there, that they likely do not want to do anything that shows a preference and gains the ire of governing agencies. I'm hoping this keep them relatively neutral.

xp84 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Despite becoming quite critical of Apple in many other areas, I agree with your assessment here. And hopefully they realize if they started getting so anticompetitive in this space that they start elbowing "non-Apple" streamers out of the picture on their platform, the loss would be Apple's. A streaming box that doesn't have Netflix, or that is missing another major, would be far less compelling than what it is today.

05 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the box where I can’t set up a third party player to do the ‘replay last 5 seconds with subtitles on’ because it’s all locked down is the best then I don’t want to know what the worst is, I’ll just keep using LibreElec. At least if LibreElec does something I don’t like Claude can fix it.

matwood 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Apple TV (hardware) can do what you're asking using a voice command "What did he/she say". It's possible it no longer works in every app because services insist on writing their own players that don't work as well as the player provided by Apple TV.

xp84 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When Subtitles are set to 'auto' i think it now automatically turns the subtitles on like that when you do the skip back command.

But yeah, the Siri way (much as I loathe using Siri) is the definite way.

05 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I know about the feature, I'm just saying it only works in the first party app and you can't make in work in e.g. Infuse. [0]

[0] https://community.firecore.com/t/use-siri-to-enable-disable-...

BobaFloutist 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What box do you put librelec on?

05 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

A cheap Android TV box. Between lack of proper hardware acceleration for 4K/Dolby Vision decoding and lack of sleep(!) support, I would never recommend that hardware, the ones that are actually recommended by the community are RP5 ($$$) and especially Intel Nx00 (N100 etc.) which are actually the gold standard of mainline(-ish in case of RPi) codec and hardware support.

M95D 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

[Removed bad comment. Sorry.]

loloquwowndueo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Wow entitled gatekeeping much?

What if parent already knows the answers to that and the question they really want to ask is … wait for it… the one they actually asked?

If you want to ask a different question go right ahead but cutting off others like this is plain rude.

givinguflac 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

|If the box where I can’t set up a third party player to do the ‘replay last 5 seconds with subtitles on’ because it’s all locked down

You do you, but I find that to be a truly niche thing to throw away an entire platform over. It literally does everything else better imho.

rhubarbtree 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can confirm Apple is best but Roku is amazingly good number 2. In some ways its UX beats Apple.

pseudosavant 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Especially because you can get TVs with Roku built-in. I would guess most Roku users aren't using a box these days.

xp84 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I would guess most Roku users aren't using a box these days.

Sure I guess. But those devices objectively suck. the CPU and storage in "smart TVs" are so underpowered that using streaming apps on them is painfully sluggish.

For comparison, I've used the "Chromecast with Google TV" (a $50ish at its release 4k streaming stick that uses the 'Google TV', fka 'Android TV' platform) and a Sony TV on the same platform, released the same year. The Sony UI is a lot more sluggish than the Google stick device. Also tested running an SNES emulator. The Google device can easily do it, the Sony TV can't keep up even on a basic game like Super Mario World.

And then of course, on the other end of the spectrum, the Apple TV exists, which specs-wise can easily play 3D racing games at a fine framerate.

sgerenser 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

Agreed. I currently have a “Roku TV” that is hooked up to another Roku device, because the one built into it is so slow and outdated as to be almost unusable. The $29 (on sale) Roku stick I hooked up to it works fine. Getting a built-in Roku IMHO is a false economy, the built-in thing will almost certainly go to crap before the TV itself does.

ilinx 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With Roku built in as well as whatever ad pipeline(s) the TV manufacturer wants. These days my AppleTV is allowed to talk to the internet. My television is not.

cebert 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

I have a Samsung TV that I intentionally didn’t connect to the Internet for that reason. I occasionally get an annoying pop-up randomly, encouraging me to connect it to Wi-Fi.

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reaperducer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Especially because you can get TVs with Roku built-in.

I believe there are TVs that come with AppleTV built-in. I'm not in the market, so I haven't looked, but I suspect they're not the bargain basement Wal-Mart sets.

solid_fuel 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Eh those TVs are a dubious value proposition. I grabbed one and wound up returning it because it won't even let you use the TV as a damned TV without connecting it to the internet and creating a roku account so they can track you.

brewtide 2 hours ago | parent [-]

My Roku TV (that hasn't been turned on in years, but was left plugged in for years...) literally tries to reach out every minute to home servers. Before u plugging it, I had blocked it's DNS, and was blown away at how frequently it tries to phone home. Easily the noisiest device on my home network.

hbn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The only issue with Apple TV is they still can't figure out a good remote. I feel like I need to hold my breath and be very intentional with my swipes so when I'm e.g. swiping up/down to get to a menu where I can turn on subtitles I don't accidentally swipe left or right, sending me scrubbing 17 minutes forward.

Either touch is a bad input mechanism for controlling your TV, or Apple hasn't figured it out.

mikestew an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I’ve had one of these remotes almost since they came out:

https://function101.com/products/button-remote-for-apple-tv?...

The newer Apple Remote has directional buttons, and you can then turn off the touch pad.

al_borland an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You could try the Salt remote. From what I remember they got permission from Apple and it’s officially supported.

https://www.salt.ch/en/internet-tv/equipment/remote-control

codazoda 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, I hate the remote, which is why I never use Apple TV even though I both own one and have the Apple TV service.

Maybe I'll try the remote the other user here mentioned.

LetsGetTechnicl 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The latest remote at least has directional buttons, and I think you can disable the touch part entirely. Might be worth looking into, I think you can buy it separately and it works with most if not all Apple TV's.

reaperducer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The only issue with Apple TV is they still can't figure out a good remote. I feel like I need to hold my breath and be very intentional with my swipes so when I'm e.g. swiping up/down to get to a menu where I can turn on subtitles I don't accidentally swipe left or right, sending me scrubbing 17 minutes forward.

Didn't Apple replace that remote with a proper clicky remote like five years ago?

TylerE 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Sort of. It's an improvement but it still have major issues. The biggest being the goddamn search button on the side that you hit 50% of the time you pick up or set down the remote, that can't be disabled, and that yanks you straight out of whatever you're viewing.

joshstrange 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yep, Apple TV has long been my preferred streaming box. I put one on every TV and don't connect the TV to the network. Plex and YouTube are probably my top apps and while YouTube is maddening (just horrible UI/UX), I find Plex to be mostly enjoyable or at least reliable and unsurprising.

renegade-otter an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Subjective, of course, but Apple is the new HBO. They don't have the massive amount of content, but they go for quality.

tshaddox 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why is that ironic? This is exactly what you should expect, unless you feel very strongly about sideloading apps or installing different operating systems. Or if you love ads.

tencentshill 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some apps on the apple tv still have ads on the pause screen (covering the content I may have wanted to pause to see, a terrible UX choice). It can't be entirely avoided.

munk-a 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It can if you avoid a dedicated device and just hook a desktop up to your TV. It's a one time cost to set up a host you control and that seems to be getting more and more worth it.

antihipocrat 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Is there a solution for audio and video downscaling when accessing content via the browser in a linux htpc setup?

I don't think any of the big streaming content providers have native apps on linux and no browser can pass through audio bitstreams to HDMI. Video quality is limited as well.

Having a dedicated streaming box is better in this regard

nekooooo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ever since tvOS came out (and by extension, the app store) they've really leapfrogged every other streaming box. I would have thought android-based boxes like Nvidia's shieldtv would have won here (and created a casual gaming platform) but I was dead wrong.

i worked on a roku tv app once upon a time... and their OS couldn't even draw circle primitives. frustrating.

kimbernator 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Definitely. It's un-bloated and simple in a sea of options that are progressively slower and shittier.

calmworm an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ironic how?

munk-a 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Unironically, the best streaming box out there is a PC where you can hook up ad block and stream content from independent content providers like Dropout and Nebula using their web-based UI.

We seem to have an economic cycle of enshittification => piracy => people realizing they've over enshittified => goto 10. We were in phase 3 a few years ago, now we're in phase 1 and it's an insane race to the bottom.

chipotle_coyote 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I certainly wouldn't mind being able to block ads on the Apple TV for certain services (by which I mean YouTube), but for services which aren't as aggressively terrible as ad-supported YouTube is, I'm generally fine just making the choice between paying a higher price to go ad-free or putting up with ads. I know some folks are absolutely against all ads no matter what no exceptions, but I'm okay with the notion of "you pay for this by watching ads" if they don't abuse their end of the bargain (by which I mean YouTube).

Also, I watch Nebula on my Apple TV pretty frequently, and Dropout's available there, too.

munk-a 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, I am not dead set against advertising in all its forms[1] but I think the balance of advertising and experience quality to price has swung way out of alignment. There are numerous streaming platforms that all price by subscription to take a small chip out of your luxury cash. For most households one or two platforms (which would probably be somewhere near 25 USD) is the reasonable budget and the costs just don't make sense for the quality of content (and the fact that you still get ads in a lot of cases). I support ad-subsidized content for wide accessibility, but the greed has gotten out of hand and the product, if you do pay through the nose, doesn't match that price point.

1. Personally, I find it incredibly disruptive but I had ADHD so it tends to break my immersion in the media but I understand that I'm an edge case and I'll always need a more complex solution.

tredre3 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The desktop is the best streaming box only if:

- You run Windows because nothing else will let you stream in 4k

- You ignore the absolutely sub-par UI/UX couch experience

And I say this as someone who's been running a media center pc in various forms for decades.

munk-a 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

I use a projector as an output device (though there are plenty of TVs (just maybe not the newest ones) that still will take an input cable and blindly pass through the contents) as well as having a little wireless mini-keyboard the size of a remote with a touchpad on it and a wireless any-surface mouse that I use to control it from the couch. I genuinely don't think most people would find that interaction disagreeable and it provides a very familiar UX that you can even trivially replace or get multiple of since it's literally just a mini wireless keyboard and mouse which cost you all of maybe 30 USD.

I will conceded that windows is a real advantage though since enshittification has driven other environment applications to become rare or unmaintained. Though I haven't invested real time into seeing what options might be available as unified platform solutions in other envs - like maybe the work Valve put into proton allows you to sneak your way into good media support?